Evolution: Violates law of thermodynamics

**1010011010** · 11 Nov 06, 15:31

Originally Posted by omon

i did the rols of film to move a straw in the glass jar,it did take me quite a few tries, but i saw it move.

How would you recommend eliminating electrostatic interaction as the cause?

Originally Posted by omon

egg containers and book did those too ,they wont show you anything you have to feel it.

Sounds like self-hypnosis.

Originally Posted by omon

moving hay on the blade i knew when i was 12(wasn't just me almost everyone who cut grass with that blade on a stick knows that, i had no idea why it moves never cared, but now it makes sence.

So you have explored no other explanations and just believe the first thing you're told? very scientific.

Originally Posted by omon

in experements like this you don't implement any controls. like author wrote he tried numerous mesuring instuments none of them detected anything. just watch and feel you hands or face.

So these aren't experiments and as a demonstration, show that nothing measurable is happening.

**omon** · 11 Nov 06, 17:07

why don't you just try them for your self. do this experement; put you hand over steaming water close your eyes, and think of it as hypnosis,or you dont trust your sences.i saw straw move i dont need any masurments to concure it,about statick;that is why there has to be some water in the jar.(i don,t think you read the article cerefully,i didnt do them to impress you or masure anything ,i had question for myself; does it extist or not. i got my answer, you don't belive me or author, try them yourself but read article again thoroghly.
p.s. author didn't try IR photografy i should try that may be it will show something.

**1010011010** · 11 Nov 06, 18:13

Originally Posted by omon

why don't you just try them for your self. do this experement; put you hand over steaming water close your eyes, and think of it as hypnosis,or you dont trust your sences.

I've done this before and noted nothing inexplicable to science.

Originally Posted by omon

i saw straw move i dont need any masurments to concure it,

the straw moving tells you nothing more than that the straw moved. If I am the supreme ruler of the universe, the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. Try this experiment. Watch the east. If the sun rises, it proves I'm the supreme ruler of the universe.

That's about the level of logic you're using. Eliminate all mundane causes for your straw to move and then we might talk. Until then you're exploiting normal physics and not understanding what's going on.

Originally Posted by omon

about statick;that is why there has to be some water in the jar.(i don,t think you read the article cerefully,i didnt do them to impress you or masure anything ,i had question for myself; does it extist or not. i got my answer, you don't belive me or author, try them yourself but read article again thoroghly.

What exactly do you think the water is supposed to do?

Originally Posted by omon

p.s. author didn't try IR photografy i should try that may be it will show something.

I await your results.

**Nanovae** · 11 Nov 06, 18:42

Originally Posted by omon

wether you belive or not some insects do have PHENOMENA OF BIOLOGICAL ANTIGRAVITATION.

Wow ... antigravitation

That's just completly wrong, a story coming out from a science fiction book
Just tell us what sort of insects you are talking about
give link and reference.
Because I tell you this is just false.
There is no antigraviation at this time, neither natural than artificial.

**omon** · 11 Nov 06, 22:09

Originally Posted by Nanovae

Wow ... antigravitation

That's just completly wrong, a story coming out from a science fiction book
Just tell us what sort of insects you are talking about
give link and reference.
Because I tell you this is just false.
There is no antigraviation at this time, neither natural than artificial.

what do you call this?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

I posted a link on insects before, care to read?

**1010011010** · 12 Nov 06, 03:28

Originally Posted by omon

what do you call this? http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

Ionic propulsion. Used by NASA for a couple of their deep space probes.
The same basic process is also used to accelerate ions in inertial fusion devices for neutron production in some industrial radiography and medical tomographic devices.

There's nothing particularly interesting about this technology.

Originally Posted by omon

I posted a link on insects before, care to read?

Are you going to actually make and defend any claims yourself, or are we supposed to point out the problems with these articles and you just shrug and go "Well, I'm not the author of that." References are used to support your own arguments, not make them for you. Pick something from the various pages you've linked, claim it, and defend it.

**omon** · 12 Nov 06, 04:31

Originally Posted by 1010011010

Ionic propulsion. Used by NASA for a couple of their deep space probes.
The same basic process is also used to accelerate ions in inertial fusion devices for neutron production in some industrial radiography and medical tomographic devices.

There's nothing particularly interesting about this technology.
.

nothing ah, the fact that they fly without propellers or turbines,or rocket engines, and dont care about aerodynamics or airflow.
BTW what is anti g in your opinion? this should be very interesting.
since you know answers to everything tell me what standing wave is?
gun powder also was nothing particularly interesting for about 500 years, is it nothing interesing now?
was 666 already taken?

**1010011010** · 12 Nov 06, 05:43

Originally Posted by omon

nothing ah, the fact that they fly without propellers or turbines,or rocket engines, and dont care about aerodynamics or airflow.

They fly by using an accelerated stream of ionized particles. It is essentially an exotic type of jet engine. It's highly efficient but does not scale well, reducing the max achievable thrust. It has limited practical applications as a propulsion device.

Originally Posted by omon

BTW what is anti g in your opinion? this should be very interesting.

9.8 m/s²

Originally Posted by omon

since you know answers to everything tell me what standing wave is?

An interference pattern produced by two waves of identical phase and frequency with opposite amplitude.

Originally Posted by omon

gun powder also was nothing particularly interesting for about 500 years, is it nothing interesing now?

Gunpowder is still interesting, due to its continued everyday use.

Originally Posted by omon

was 666 already taken?

I don't know. Is it relevant?

**omon** · 12 Nov 06, 06:19

Quote:
Originally Posted by omon
BTW what is anti g in your opinion? this should be very interesting.

9.8 m/s²

is that all??? i khew this from 5th grade,i always thought it was The acceleration due to gravity , without gravity it most likely to be 0.is it?

They fly by using an accelerated stream of ionized particles. It is essentially an exotic type of jet engine. It's highly efficient but does not scale well, reducing the max achievable thrust. It has limited practical applications as a propulsion device.
i say not yet.
ok standing wave was a bullseye. tell me this; is standing wave developes in a closed space?

**dalem** · 12 Nov 06, 20:38

omon-

Gravity is a field effect. True "antigravity" a la sci fi repulsorlifts and the like is by definition something that reduces or cancels that field effect. The things that have been brought up so far (helicopters, ion engines, wings, etc.) are merely things that produce lift or acceleration. These things have ZERO effect on gravitic fields, they just work to create velocity vectors that are counter to them.

Antigravity would reduce or eliminate (or otherwise alter) the field effects of gravity, not simply overcome them.

-dale

**omon** · 12 Nov 06, 21:29

Originally Posted by Nanovae

Wow ... antigravitation

That's just completly wrong, a story coming out from a science fiction book
Just tell us what sort of insects you are talking about
give link and reference.
Because I tell you this is just false.
There is no antigraviation at this time, neither natural than artificial.

how about ball lightning not only it defyes gravity but also goes thru walls and windows, it,s recorded. not a myth

**1010011010** · 12 Nov 06, 22:15

Originally Posted by omon

is that all??? i khew this from 5th grade,i always thought it was The acceleration due to gravity , without gravity it most likely to be 0.is it?

g, acceleration due to Earth's gravity, is -9.8m/s². Thus, anti-g is 9.8m/s². Net acceleration due to g is zero.

Originally Posted by omon

tell me this; is standing wave developes in a closed space?

you're not going to make the comparison about phonons, photons, and lasers are you?

Originally Posted by omon

how about ball lightning not only it defyes gravity but also goes thru walls and windows, it,s recorded. not a myth

Ball lighting moves by electrostatic interaction and also thermal driving. It's no more "defying gravity" than a hot air balloon.

**omon** · 13 Nov 06, 04:42

Originally Posted by 1010011010

g, acceleration due to Earth's gravity, is -9.8m/s². Thus, anti-g is 9.8m/s². Net acceleration due to g is zero.you're not going to make the comparison about phonons, photons, and lasers are you?Ball lighting moves by electrostatic interaction and also thermal driving. It's no more "defying gravity" than a hot air balloon.

every web page on this subject states9.8m/s/s not-9.8m/s/s if i drop a ball off the roof it'll fall with acc.. 9,8m/s/s. and if i do it where there is no gravity won't it float and not fall at all??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(Earth)

you're not going to make the comparison about phonons, photons, and lasers are you?
no i asked about it for a different reason.
hot air ballon just like helium baloons don't defy grav.. they overcome it by diference in air dencity outside ani inside a baloon.

**1010011010** · 13 Nov 06, 05:43

Originally Posted by omon

every web page on this subject states9.8m/s/s not-9.8m/s/s if i drop a ball off the roof it'll fall with acc.. 9,8m/s/s. and if i do it where there is no gravity won't it float and not fall at all??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(Earth)

Does gravity accelerate things up or down? If it accelerates things down, how could you signify that in mathematical notation? If you were going to used signed values, would it make more sense to have a negative or a positive for downward acceleration?

Do some physics calculations some time. g is most assuredly -9.8m/s².

Originally Posted by omon

hot air ballon just like helium baloons don't defy grav.. they overcome it by diference in air dencity outside ani inside a baloon.

And ball lighting doesn't defy gravity either. it overcomes it by tapping other (conventional) physical forces.

**Sombra** · 13 Nov 06, 11:14

Antigrav in my understanding would be to influence directly the gravitional force.

Unfortunately we cant do this right now. We can´´t neither create nor negate it right now and perhaps we never will. Why do I put "perhaps" because AFAIK gravity is one of the least understood forces.

Regarding your articles omon : Did you read them yourself? I love this kind of evidence which cant be observed and lines. It wont work if somebody tries to measure it, or I fly where no human can see me.... This is not science but faith.

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