Illegal Downloading and File Sharing is Good for the Economy

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 11:23

Originally Posted by troung

Spare me - you are stealing plain and simple. A federal power grab is a bad thing but people illegally downloading music are going out of their way to break the law. It's easy not to illegally download music.

I don't care much for overpaid/undereducated actors and musicians either nor do I wish to further expand their rights but the noble online pirate thing is just BS.

I never claimed I was being noble. I'm well aware of the fact that the few songs I download a month (Usually no more than 5 or 10) are theft. The noble part, if you wanna call it that, is that the first CD I bought was the first album of a band where I know some of the guys personally and support them. I'm willing to pay quite a large amount of money to go to a concert of a band or artist I like. I am not willing to pay large amounts of money for an entire CD that might have 3 or 4 songs that I like on it.

If the artist's own record company is more than happy to upload high quality versions of their songs onto YouTube, thereby placing them in the public sphere, why should I not then rip the audio and download it as an MP3? Tell me, what's the difference between a folder of MP3's and a folder of bookmarks that lead to the same exact songs uploaded by the record companies on YouTube?

**troung** · 23 Jan 12,, 11:35

download it as an MP3? Tell me, what's the difference between a folder of MP3's and a folder of bookmarks that lead to the same exact songs uploaded by the record companies on YouTube?

Consent of the copyright holder.

I am not willing to pay large amounts of money for an entire CD that might have 3 or 4 songs that I like on it.

Pay to download a single track then.

I hope you included the fact you illegally download music in your letter to congresspeople.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 11:37

Consent of the copyright holder.

Irrelevant. If I save the bookmarks or save the mp3's, either way I'm creating a file that gives me access to the copyrighted content whenever I desire

**Doktor** · 23 Jan 12,, 11:38

Originally Posted by bigross86

I never claimed I was being noble. I'm well aware of the fact that the few songs I download a month (Usually no more than 5 or 10) are theft. The noble part, if you wanna call it that, is that the first CD I bought was the first album of a band where I know some of the guys personally and support them. I'm willing to pay quite a large amount of money to go to a concert of a band or artist I like. I am not willing to pay large amounts of money for an entire CD that might have 3 or 4 songs that I like on it.

Buy those songs you like on iTunes

If the artist's own record company is more than happy to upload high quality versions of their songs onto YouTube, thereby placing them in the public sphere, why should I not then rip the audio and download it as an MP3? Tell me, what's the difference between a folder of MP3's and a folder of bookmarks that lead to the same exact songs uploaded by the record companies on YouTube?

Internet access

Anyway, ripping the audio only from the YT video is altering the original content, blah, blah, blah, some lawyer can make a case of it I am sure.

**troung** · 23 Jan 12,, 11:51

Irrelevant. If I save the bookmarks or save the mp3's, either way I'm creating a file that gives me access to the copyrighted content whenever I desire

It's not - your copyright teacher should be fired - they have given consent to put a video on YT (no different then TV), if not the video is taken down when they raise the issue, if you illegally download their music or post it without their consent online they might come after you.

All of the complaints/threads opened simply because you illegally download music.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 12:53

When they put the video online, they grant me permission to access the video (and therefore the music), whenever I want. Now, considering that I don't traffic or share songs, only download them for personal use, what difference does it make in what format I access the song, YouTube or MP3? I don't modify the content of the song or the video, I don't change the song or the video, I don't share the song or video with anyone that is not me. So, once again, what difference does it make if I have a folder of YouTube links or MP3s?

**andrew** · 23 Jan 12,, 17:33

Originally Posted by troung

It's not - your copyright teacher should be fired - they have given consent to put a video on YT (no different then TV), if not the video is taken down when they raise the issue, if you illegally download their music or post it without their consent online they might come after you.

All of the complaints/threads opened simply because you illegally download music.

What is the difference between downloading music or movies from Internet and recording a TV program with those same movies and music?

**Doktor** · 23 Jan 12,, 18:11

Originally Posted by andrew

What is the difference between downloading music or movies from Internet and recording a TV program with those same movies and music?

None, both are forbidden.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 18:23

So once again, what's the difference between recording something on VCR so that I have it permanently available for my personal use, or record it using the cable company's Video on Demand service and store it on a 1TB hard drive so that I have it permanently available for my personal use?

**Doktor** · 23 Jan 12,, 18:32

Originally Posted by bigross86

So once again, what's the difference between recording something on VCR so that I have it permanently available for my personal use, or record it using the cable company's Video on Demand service and store it on a 1TB hard drive so that I have it permanently available for my personal use?

Nothing, you are not allowed to collect someone else's copyrighted material.

It's not what you can do, but what you may do.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 18:37

But you are allowed to record using the VoD function, or else that function wouldn't exist, now would it? What do you think TiVO is?

**Doktor** · 23 Jan 12,, 20:47

Originally Posted by bigross86

But you are allowed to record using the VoD function, or else that function wouldn't exist, now would it? What do you think TiVO is?

I am not sure what are you trying to prove. You shouldn't have a copy at home if you haven't obtained it legally. VoD might transfer you the rights to have the video, depends on what contract the service has with the holder of the rights.

TiVO? Heck you can save shows, videos, music whatever from your TV/Net cable operator.

It's not what you can, but what you may (not) do.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 20:50

But once again, why can you not do with one technological device in a medium the same thing that you can do with another technological device in the same medium?

**Doktor** · 23 Jan 12,, 21:12

Originally Posted by bigross86

But once again, why can you not do with one technological device in a medium the same thing that you can do with another technological device in the same medium?

What is so confusing?

I guess you pay the VoD. If you pay to watch AND save the movie, then you can keep it. If you pay to watch it, it is the same like going to cinema with camera.

**bigross86** · 23 Jan 12,, 21:15

That makes no sense. Say I pay $9.99 a month for VoD (I have no idea what it actually costs) and then download and save 4 movies a day (extremely feasible). I'm getting movies for the price of less than 1 cent per movie. How much of that you think goes to the film companies?