Thread: Stop Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth

Wudeness will not be tolerwated, will not be tolerwated I tell you!

I so don't know this guy...

Zraver beats him up elsewhere...

See? you don't get it.

If there is anybody interested and concerned about environmental issues who is reading this, I would advice that person NOT to join Greenpeace.

Like Amnesty International, they have sold their soul for political reasons. And in my view, as the years go by, they are more and more wrong about a number of issues, like nuclear energy.

Originally Posted by Castellano

Look at the case of Ethiopia.

Remember the famine in the 80s?

Have a look at the population then, and what is now.

You should look at birth rate and death rate of each specific region. Just because the absolute number of people increased doesn't mean there's overpopulation. There's something called population momentum. European nations are riding on the tails of this momentum, and if not corrected, Europe will suffer decades of aging population, lack of labor, crushing welfare cost, and eventually, disintegration.

Europe suffers from lack of replacement population.

Africa MIGHT suffer from overpopulation. But this overpopulation is not a result of insufficient land but of warfare and corruption.

Originally Posted by Parihaka

:Sighs:
Why do I get the impression you two aren't the best of friends.
Wudeness will not be tolerwated, will not be tolerwated I tell you!

Is that the same as knit one pearl one drop one...some sort of knitting circle jorgon I hear

See? you don't get it.

Sorry I'm a traitor who supports modified foods, big trucks and eating polar bears.

Explain.

Originally Posted by dave lukins

Is that the same as knit one pearl one drop one...some sort of knitting circle jorgon I hear

Is a jorgon a baby klingon?

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here.

It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not.

You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area.

There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is?

A virus."

Agent Smith
The Matrix

All mammals will multiply until they reach the environment's capacity. Ask the Australians about their rabbit problems. It is foolish to think animals live in harmony with nature.

And what are your suggestions to get rid of these viruses?

Well, in general yes.

Still, it's a good quote, specially the virus mentality thing.

Your previous post deserves a more thorough answer, I'll come back to you as soon as I can. Gotta go now.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

What's wrong with the conservative approach to these things? Energy conservation and pollution control is a good idea mainly because it saves you money? What's wrong with that approach instead of force feeding everyone the earth is dying pill?

Dealing with genetically engineered foods is a slightly different issue. Two issues actually

First, lets say Monsanto creates a strain of rice that has a 300% yield and can't be flooded and only needs 50% of the water in a drought- but cant breed. What use is it to local family farmers who lacking currency cannot buy fresh seed stock every year. These bio-science crops need to be able to propagate so farmers can set aside seed for the next year or you only end up with share croppers in hock to the company store. Plus as more farms use the seed the bigger the supply the less the price the more indebt the farmers are becuase they have to buy more seed every year.

However creating these crops means we have to know they are safe before we turn them loose. This is the second issue, what if an enzyme in that need breed of rice increased the risk of breast cancer by 15% or 50% We are not sure they are safe.

Originally Posted by Castellano

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here.

It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not.

Yes, unfortunately agent Smiths script writers don't know shit about mammals. Or marsupials.

genetic engineering is partially an attempt to bypass the often lengthy periods that it takes selective breeding to isolate specific traits but this is a bad thing. The time delays in the selective breeding allow a natural filter to wean out dangerous hybrids without mass promulgation. GE allows no such filters. The main problem however is that with selective breeding seed stock is not copyright-able, with genetic engineering it is as companies can insert specific gene markers to make it identifiable. Thus companies can own the worlds grain output and royalties must be paid simply for the right to grow food.

Over my dead body.