yes ,... true, the second option, I confused myself
If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon
Why did Kirk pee on Spocks face?
Because he wanted to go where no man has gone before!!!
"Yeah. See, we plan ahead, that way we don't do anything right now. Earl explained it to me." - Tremors, 1990
In all honesty, I don't know how long this will last. This movie will succeed big time BUT THIS IS NOT STAR TREK. The next movie will determine whether the rebirth will work or not.
I seem to recall a story about some 'third lieutenant' or midshipman (during the age of sail, when kids were taken aboard and put on the ships books in a nominal position in order to defraud the gov't...) taking command of a ship of the line some long time ago, mainly because he was the only 'officer' on deck (the ones out-ranking him had pulled their wounded higher ranking officers below decks to the surgeon or something). I grant that this (if true) is an extreme case, but (having not seen the movie) if Kirk was indeed the only officer around to make the command decision, there is at least a historical precedent for it. I assume all the other ranking officers were incapacitated, or not present to take command of course...
The Boomers are the ones who watched the original Star Trek, TNG also catered to these Boomers. However DS9 and Voyager, and Enterprise all failed because they were not reguvinating the series, it was just `copy and paste` with a new name, new characters, and better graphics.
When you are competeing against films like Transformers, Batman, and harry potter . A traditional Star Trek film would have just been a forgotten blip, and only add to the label that Star Trek is tired and washed-up .
The generation of today is different from your generation. This film I think will keep the series relevent into the future, if they can make a series with the same characters and keep the same level of production as this movie, Star Trek will become relevant and popular not only with the orignal fans of the series, but will also bring aboard multiple newer generation fans.
This film is EXACTLY what this series needed.
Last edited by Canmoore; 13 May 09, at 01:11.
My two cents:
Being a die-hard Trekker, I was going to see this movie even if the reviews were somewhere to the south of "Ishtar".
I've read some of the people's thoughts on this board (and others) before I actually saw the movie and, quite honestly, I went into the theater looking for a reason to hate it.
OoE, dalem, and others I respect on this board seem to feel the movie was not "Star Trek".
I respectfully disagree.
This movie was more "Star Trek" than the TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise ever was or will be to me.
TOS was the only series of the bunch that gave me the jist of what 'Star Trek' should really be about. Roddenberry said time and again that Star Trek was Horatio Hornblower in outer space and I really got that feeling watching this movie. No over-analyzing of a situation, no "we can't do that because we are star-fleet and we are held to a higher standard" kind of touchy feely dialogue. This Kirk and This Spock, very much like the original series, saw a wrong and proceeded to go about righting it, and damn the regulations and such.
This movie gave me the same feelings as the original series did in that Kirk and Spock are really one person and the constant debate between Spock's "we should think this through and then calmly go about thinking up a way to right this wrong" and Kirk's "screw it, we got shafted now let's go stick a shaft up their a$$" really came through in this movie. This was, for me at least, the most enjoyable aspect of the original series and we had that in spades in this film.
Star Trek is about what we humans would do once we reached outer space. The crew of TNG, DS9 and Voyager weren't human as I understood the term. They did not introduce humanity to outer space, they in fact became aliens, at least to me. They acted more like a fairytale race of perfect human beings.
I don't know what real "Star Trek" means to OoE or others that did not like the movie but to me it was always about we imperfect humans exploring strange new world...to seek out new life, new civilizations....
Edit: Oh, and there was a hot little green chick...god loves me!
Last edited by YellowFever; 13 May 09, at 01:33.
I was a weird little kid that loved DS9 myself.
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