New Star Trek movie.

**DPrime** · 11 May 09,, 19:24

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The problem is that the franchise won't be writing any more stories for them.

Yeah, terrible that Nemesis was the send-off they got. What a travesty...

**xinhui** · 11 May 09,, 19:41

Don't know what to say..........

Danger Room What’s Next in National Security
Star Trek: A Military Analysis

* By Michael Peck Email Author
* May 11, 2009 |
* 2:31 pm |
* Categories: Miscellaneous

fcintro03

23rd Century warfare isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. You’d think that weapons and tactics would have progressed in 200 years. But the new Star Trek movie shows that the United Federation of Planets has a lot to learn about warfare.

A military analysis of young Cadet Kirk’s War isn’t easy. Director J.J. Abrams‘ frenetic rock ‘em, sock ‘em style can be tough to follow. But here is Star Trek’s vision of future warfare. (Warning: all sorts of spoilers ahead.)

* The villainous Romulan ship pulverizes Federation vessels with volleys of torpedoes. Yet no Federation warship employs electronic jammers, decoys or point defense phasers. Very depressing. Two hundred years later, missile defense still doesn’t work.

* But why does the Romulan ship need torpedoes? If its energy drill can bore holes through planets, then it can slice a starship like a phaser through butter. Future humans must still learn to master dual-use technology.

* Speaking of phasers: the ones in the movie fire bolts of energy, like in Star Wars. What happened to the Marvin-the-Martian-style disintegrator beams from the original Star Trek? Perhaps someone realized that disintegrating bulkheads in a pressurized starship in deep space isn’t the safest way to fight.

* There is only one scene in the movie where phasers are ordered to be set on stun. Otherwise, everyone cheerfully uses lethal force. The classic Star Trek rules of engagement are out the window.

* Kirk and his team are dropped from the Enterprise orbiting above Vulcan, and then deploy parachutes once they’re in the atmosphere. I can see not swatting Kirk with torpedoes or the energy drill. But again, some point defense phasers on the Romulan ship might have swatted them. At least Heinlein’s Starship Troopers had self-contained, individual jump capsules for its troops.

* No one loves the Department of Homeland Security. But just look what happens when DHS isn’t around! Poor Vulcan had no evacuation plans or Code Orange threat warnings.

* Speaking of which… Where the heck are Vulcan’s orbital defenses? Wouldn’t logic demand some planetary protection?

* The Federation receives a report that an alien vessel destroyed 47 Klingon warships. That vessel next appears at Vulcan, and Starfleet only sends seven ships against it? Kirk isn’t the only one with an inflated ego

* Vulcan must have relied on the Federation, whose main fleet happened to be cruising in a different part of the galaxy. Seems like the Federation is a little big to be covered by one fleet. Want to bet that the head of Federation strategic planning is named Rumsfeld?

Star Trek: A Military Analysis | Danger Room

**Officer of Engineers** · 11 May 09,, 19:51

Originally Posted by astralis

OoE as a trekkie, now THAT is a travesty

Have you seen the women? Especially Seven-Of-Nine?

**Shiny Capstar** · 11 May 09,, 19:52

Originally Posted by astralis

OoE as a trekkie, now THAT is a travesty

Just add it to the list

**Doomarias** · 11 May 09,, 21:01

Originally Posted by xinhui

Don't know what to say..........

Danger Room What’s Next in National Security
Star Trek: A Military Analysis

* By Michael Peck Email Author
* May 11, 2009 |
* 2:31 pm |
* Categories: Miscellaneous

fcintro03

23rd Century warfare isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. You’d think that weapons and tactics would have progressed in 200 years. But the new Star Trek movie shows that the United Federation of Planets has a lot to learn about warfare.

A military analysis of young Cadet Kirk’s War isn’t easy. Director J.J. Abrams‘ frenetic rock ‘em, sock ‘em style can be tough to follow. But here is Star Trek’s vision of future warfare. (Warning: all sorts of spoilers ahead.)

* The villainous Romulan ship pulverizes Federation vessels with volleys of torpedoes. Yet no Federation warship employs electronic jammers, decoys or point defense phasers. Very depressing. Two hundred years later, missile defense still doesn’t work.

* But why does the Romulan ship need torpedoes? If its energy drill can bore holes through planets, then it can slice a starship like a phaser through butter. Future humans must still learn to master dual-use technology.

* Speaking of phasers: the ones in the movie fire bolts of energy, like in Star Wars. What happened to the Marvin-the-Martian-style disintegrator beams from the original Star Trek? Perhaps someone realized that disintegrating bulkheads in a pressurized starship in deep space isn’t the safest way to fight.

* There is only one scene in the movie where phasers are ordered to be set on stun. Otherwise, everyone cheerfully uses lethal force. The classic Star Trek rules of engagement are out the window.

* Kirk and his team are dropped from the Enterprise orbiting above Vulcan, and then deploy parachutes once they’re in the atmosphere. I can see not swatting Kirk with torpedoes or the energy drill. But again, some point defense phasers on the Romulan ship might have swatted them. At least Heinlein’s Starship Troopers had self-contained, individual jump capsules for its troops.

* No one loves the Department of Homeland Security. But just look what happens when DHS isn’t around! Poor Vulcan had no evacuation plans or Code Orange threat warnings.

* Speaking of which… Where the heck are Vulcan’s orbital defenses? Wouldn’t logic demand some planetary protection?

* The Federation receives a report that an alien vessel destroyed 47 Klingon warships. That vessel next appears at Vulcan, and Starfleet only sends seven ships against it? Kirk isn’t the only one with an inflated ego

* Vulcan must have relied on the Federation, whose main fleet happened to be cruising in a different part of the galaxy. Seems like the Federation is a little big to be covered by one fleet. Want to bet that the head of Federation strategic planning is named Rumsfeld?

Star Trek: A Military Analysis | Danger Room

Ahh time to rip about 60% of this to pieces.

The villainous Romulan ship pulverizes Federation vessels with volleys of torpedoes. Yet no Federation warship employs electronic jammers, decoys or point defense phasers. Very depressing. Two hundred years later, missile defense still doesn’t work.

First off later in the first scene most of the missiles are shot down(also later with enterprise) the first part can be explained by the lack warning mixed with the shock of that ship and its strange way of entering the scene, oops forgot to turn on ciws. Also ecm in space might work sometimes but most theorists agree space= optics work best. Also the ship is from a totally different time doubt their ecm would work on the rom ship.

* But why does the Romulan ship need torpedoes? If its energy drill can bore holes through planets, then it can slice a starship like a phaser through butter. Future humans must still learn to master dual-use technology.

Romulans are not future humans, duh. Also the Romulan ship is a mining barge ad hoc to the extreme. Im even fairly sure the "torpedoes" are modified from some mining purpose.

* Speaking of phasers: the ones in the movie fire bolts of energy, like in Star Wars. What happened to the Marvin-the-Martian-style disintegrator beams from the original Star Trek? Perhaps someone realized that disintegrating bulkheads in a pressurized starship in deep space isn’t the safest way to fight.

Look up the USS Defiant and pulse phasors.

* There is only one scene in the movie where phasers are ordered to be set on stun. Otherwise, everyone cheerfully uses lethal force. The classic Star Trek rules of engagement are out the window.

* Kirk and his team are dropped from the Enterprise orbiting above Vulcan, and then deploy parachutes once they’re in the atmosphere. I can see not swatting Kirk with torpedoes or the energy drill. But again, some point defense phasers on the Romulan ship might have swatted them. At least Heinlein’s Starship Troopers had self-contained, individual jump capsules for its troops.

Ok first no point defense on the mining barge, also the drilling beam disrupts sensors also in the way are atmospherics and a new ship graveyard.

* No one loves the Department of Homeland Security. But just look what happens when DHS isn’t around! Poor Vulcan had no evacuation plans or Code Orange threat warnings.

* The Federation receives a report that an alien vessel destroyed 47 Klingon warships. That vessel next appears at Vulcan, and Starfleet only sends seven ships against it? Kirk isn’t the only one with an inflated ego

They didn't receive the report fleet wide Uhura did and probably filed it away. Pike as squadron leader only had a unspecified distress call till kirk told him what he knew.

* Vulcan must have relied on the Federation, whose main fleet happened to be cruising in a different part of the galaxy. Seems like the Federation is a little big to be covered by one fleet. Want to bet that the head of Federation strategic planning is named Rumsfeld?

In general planets in the federation maintain only a token defense fleet outside of Starfleet

Really did they watch this movie!

**Officer of Engineers** · 11 May 09,, 21:12

And the GS said I over analysized things.

**xinhui** · 11 May 09,, 22:03

I am speechless, again....

**Canmoore** · 11 May 09,, 23:57

LOL love the analysing of this movie!

Did anyone else get a kick out of how the future is not much different from today? I mean, the outpost on the ice world had regular doors and a loud speaker in the corner of the hallway just like modern buildings!!

Farming livestock still exists, woman still give birth like regular human beings, people still cheat in school, eat apples, people still have to work for a living (people building the enterprise), there are still bar flies and pubs.

It reminds me ALOT of the original Star Wars, and what made it so special. It blended futuristic technology and modern stuff to make it so believable.

And I just have to make a comment about this.

Originally Posted by xinhui

* The Federation receives a report that an alien vessel destroyed 47 Klingon warships. That vessel next appears at Vulcan, and Starfleet only sends seven ships against it? Kirk isn’t the only one with an inflated ego

All that the federation knew, was that there was a report from Vulcan about a strange anomoly, and assistance was required to investigate it. The main Federation Fleet was tied up in the Laurentian system. So seven ships mixed with officers and cadets were sent to investigage the anomoly.

Kirk made the connection between the electrical storm, and the attack on the Klingon armadda with Romulans. And knew that it was a trap, however Pike did not believe him. Untill Uhura confirmed the information on the Klingons

However, once they dropped out of Warp speed they were in a mess of broken up Federation ships. The Vulcans mining device did not allow any transmission sent back to Federation Headquarters, so the Enterprise was on its own.

**Officer of Engineers** · 12 May 09,, 00:34

SOP is always recce.

**astralis** · 12 May 09,, 01:24

col yu,

Have you seen the women? Especially Seven-Of-Nine?

i prefer jeri ryan wearing something (well, THAT part's optional) other than a purple leotard and schoolmarm hair

**YellowFever** · 12 May 09,, 03:27

Originally Posted by DPrime

I loved it. As a military officer myself, I thought it was a bit far-fetched that Kirk got to be captain at the end, but then again, he DID save the world. Besides, promotions seem to go a lot faster in Starfleet than the CF - IIRC Pike told Kirk at the beginning of the movie that he could be a captain in four years time after grad, so assuming the level of instruction is above and beyond what we relative neanderthals receive, maybe right after grad isn't so far-fetched afterall. He probably got more experience in that crisis than other captains see in their entire lives, and there might have been quite a few more, ahem, vacancies in the upper ranks than usual, after the Federation's encounter with Nero.

Also, I don't see why some people seem to think this movie somehow obliterated the history of Star Trek as we know it - haven't countless episodes since the original "Mirror, Mirror" revealed that all this sort of thing does is create an alternate history? It can be reasonably assumed that life goes on for Picard and co.

(I swear, I'm not as big of a Star Trek nerd as I sound, here!)

Then what the heck was 'First Contact' about?

**Officer of Engineers** · 12 May 09,, 03:41

Originally Posted by astralis

col yu,

i prefer jeri ryan wearing something (well, THAT part's optional) other than a purple leotard and schoolmarm hair

You're obviously forgetting that the first porn we saw was STAR TREK and BATMAN (nipple outline).

...

Seriously though, I fell for the "warrior philosophy" because of the Romulans ... and I first understood what my father tried to teach me by watching BALANCE OF TERROR.

**xerxes** · 12 May 09,, 04:02

1 - How the hell did Kirk got ejected exactly around the same area where Spock was located on that ice planet. And of all the caves, he picked the right one.

2 - If one droplet of the Red Ink causes a black hole that can devour an entire planet, then why it took so long for the Romulan ship to be destroyed when the entire Red Inky thing went nova.

3 - The Romulans threat was very much like that of Shinzon and his Remans. Though, it felt like a far more realistic threat.

Eric Bana = great acting.
10 minutes of Eric Bana acting in the movie = a very convincing and credible threat
45 minutes of Shinzon in Nemsis yapping about his childhood = unconvincing

4 - It made sense to have a bottomless pit inside the Romulan ship, but it did not made sense to have one in Enterprise E in the last movie with Shinzon.

5 - The monster scenes from the ice planet are soo out of George Lucas's play book.

6 - At the end the choice was to do a reset, which would bring back everything to normal (therefore invalidating one movie), or to do a reset which would wiped out four series and ten movies. They went for the first option.

7 - Regardless of the fact that the timeline was altered, they should have not known how the Romulan look liked.

8 - All in all, a great movie which was made with all good intention. And that what it counts.

**xerxes** · 12 May 09,, 04:06

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

All the stories told of the old STAR TREK universe, the Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyageur are now null and void.

Fear not .... they left the best of them un-touched: Archer's Enterprise

**Officer of Engineers** · 12 May 09,, 04:11

Originally Posted by xerxes

6 - At the end the choice was to do a reset, which would bring back everything to normal (therefore invalidating one movie), or to do a reset which would wiped out four series and ten movies. They went for the first option.

I think you meant they went for the 2nd option.