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    I as a newbie seriously dont know, but i dont think most people feel ist suposed consequences.

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    From the stupid dick file,

    The latest lunacy from the treehugging motards....washingtonpost.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    The latest lunacy from the treehugging motards....washingtonpost.com
    What a bunch of tools. Guess they didn't get the memo.

    Cool June 2009

    Along with welcome rains, clouds have shrouded the Twin Cities for the past few days. These clouds have kept temperatures below 60 degrees for three consecutive days. This has not happened since June 1-3, 1951. The only other years with three days in a row of maximum temperatures below 60 in June are: 1917, 1935, and 1937. There's never been four consecutive days in a row of maximum temperatures below 60 in the Twin Cities. With the National Weather Service forecast of mid 60's for June 9 it appears the streak will end. The average high for June 9 for the Twin Cities is 79 degrees.

    The maximum temperature of 52 degrees on June 6th set a record as the coldest high temperature for the date, and was the 6th coldest high temperature on record for June going back to 1872. There can be a June high temperature in the 40's in the Twin Cities. On June 13, 1947 the high was 49 degrees.

    This cool weather is not confined to the Twin Cities, the rest of Minnesota is experiencing abnormally cool temperatures. The high temperature in Duluth on June 8th only reached 47 degrees, the last time on June 8th it was that cold in Duluth was in 1989. The average high for June 8th in Duluth is 70. International Falls is currently ten degrees below normal for the month of June with a high temperature of only 50 on the 8th. The normal high for June 8th in International Falls is 73.

    It's been cool as well in Fargo/Moorhead with four consecutive days of temperatures staying below 60. One day in particular stands out. On June 6th the high was 53 and the low was 34 making the day twenty degrees below normal. Snow was even reported in central North Dakota on June 6-7th with a few totals approaching two inches to the west and north of Bismarck.

    The cool weather has caused plant growth in gardens to slow down. The scent of fireplace smoke was back in the air and many switched the furnace back on.
    Cool June 2009
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    New York City has coolest June since 1958

    Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:57:53 PM by rdl6989

    unusually wet and cool june for central park... for some perspective...here are the top ten coolest and wettest junes on record since 1869 for central park ny:

    coolest wettest avg. temp. year inches precip. year 64.2 1903 10.27 2003 65.2 1881 10.06 2009 65.7 1916 9.78 1903 66.8 1926/1902 9.30 1972 67.2 1958 8.79 1989 67.3 1927 8.55 2006 67.4 1928 7.76 1887 67.5 2009/1897 7.58 1975 67.7 1878 7.13 1938 67.8 1924 7.05 1871

    due to the unusually cool and wet conditions in june...here are some interesting facts to note: this june is tied for the 8th coolest on record. the averagetemperature was 67.5...3.7 degrees below normal...which also occurred in 1897.

    this was the coolest june since 1958...when the average temperature was 67.2 degrees.

    below average temperatures occurred on 23 out of 30 days this june...or 75 percent of the month.

    central park has not hit 90 degrees in the month of june this year. the last time this occurred was back in 1996.

    central park has not hit 85 degrees in the month of june this year. the last time this occurred was back in 1916. this has only occurred 2 other times...1903 and 1886.

    the last time that central park hit 90 or greater this year was in april. the last time that central park hit 90 in april...but not in june was back in 1990.

    the last time that central park hit 85 or greater this year was in may. the last time that central park hit 85 in may...but not in june was back in 1903. the last time that central park hit 85 in april...but not in june was also back in 1903.

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    Yep. Not that the Twin Cities are known for heat, or that anecdote = datum, but count the sunspots and stack that firewood gentlemen.

    This winter's gonna be a bitch and a half.

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    This is getting serious.

    Say Hello to Bulgarian Hooker Shortages
    “Brothel owners in Bulgaria are blaming global warming for staff shortages. They claim their best girls are working in ski resorts because a lack of snow has forced tourists to seek other pleasures.” [Metro UK]
    What is life without guacamole.

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    Scientists from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory predict hotter temps will cause a 40 percent drop in California’s avocado production over the next 40 years. [Lawrence Livermore National Lab]
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    The chills of Global Cooling

    Submitted by SHNS on Thu, 07/09/2009 - 13:08

    As cap-and-trade advocates tie their knickers in knots over so-called "global warming," Mother Nature refuses to cooperate. Earth's temperatures continue a chill that began 11 years ago. As global cooling accelerates, global-warmists kick, scream, and push their pet theory -- just like little kids who cover their ears and stomp their feet when older children tell them not to bother waiting up for Santa Claus on Christmas Eve.

    Consider how the globe cooled last month:

    -- June in Manhattan averaged 67.5 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.7 degrees below normal -- the coldest average since 1958. The National Weather Service stated July 1: "The last time that Central Park hit 85 in May...but not in June was back in 1903."

    -- In Phoenix, June's high temperatures were below 100 degrees for 15 days straight, the first such June since 1913. In California's desert, Yucca Valley's June average was 83.5, 8.5 degrees below normal. Downtown Los Angeles averaged 74.5 degrees, five below normal.

    -- Boston saw temperatures 4.7 degrees below normal. "This is the second coldest average high temp since 1872," veteran meteorologist and Weather Channel alumnus Joseph D'Aleo reports at Icecap.com. "It has been so cool and so cloudy that trees in northern New England are starting to show colors that normally first appear in September." Looking abroad, D'Aleo noted: "Southern Brazil had one of the coldest Junes in decades, and New Zealand has had unusual cold and snow again this year."

    -- New Zealand's National Climate Centre issued a June 2 press release headlined, "TEMPERATURE: LOWEST EVER FOR MAY FOR MANY AREAS, COLDER THAN NORMAL FOR ALL."

    -- South African officials say cold weather killed two vagrants in the Eastern Cape. Both slept outdoors June 26 and froze to death.
    I think Mr. Murdock dropped the ball on this one. June 26 is winter in South Africa so it should naturally be cold. He should have listed the temperature comparison of this winter month in SA vs. the past average.

    Simmer down, global-warmists retort. These are mere anecdotes, hand-picked to make them look silly.

    Well, one would be foolish to challenge space-born satellites that gauge Earth's mean temperatures ---cold, hot, and average. Here again, evidence of global cooling accumulates like snow drifts.

    "There has been no significant global warming since 1995, no warming since 1998, and global cooling for the past few years," former U.S. Senate Environment Committee spokesman Marc Morano writes at ClimateDepot.com. Citing metrics gathered by University of Alabama, Huntsville's Dr. Roy Spencer, Morano adds: "The latest global averaged satellite temperature data for June 2009 reveal yet another drop in Earth's temperature ... Despite his dire warnings, the Earth has cooled 0.74 degrees F since former Vice President Al Gore released 'An Inconvenient Truth' in 2006."

    Earth's temperatures fall even as the planet spins within what global-warmists consider a thickening cloud of toxic carbon dioxide.

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Laboratory at Mauna Loa, Hawaii consistently and reliably has measured CO2 for the last 50 years. CO2 concentrations have risen steadily for a half-century.

    For December 1958, the Laboratory reported an atmospheric CO2 concentration of 314.67 parts per million (PPM). Flash forward to December 1998, about when global cooling reappeared. CO2 already had increased to 366.87 PPM. By December 2008, CO2 had advanced to 385.54 PPM, a significant 5.088 percent growth in one decade.

    This capsizes the carbon-phobic global-warmist argument. For Earth's temperatures to sink while CO2 rises contradicts global warming as thoroughly as learning that firefighters can battle blazes by spraying them with gasoline.

    So, to defeat so-called "global warming," there is no need for the $864 billion Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill, the Kyoto Protocols, elaborate new regulations, or United Nations guidelines. Instead, let the cold times roll.

    It is one thing to have a national debate about a serious problem, with adults differing over which solution might work best. Reasonable people, for instance, can dispute whether growing federal involvement would heal or inflame our healthcare system's serious maladies.

    But as so-called "global warming" proves fictional, those who would shackle the economy with taxes and regulations to fight mythology increasingly resemble deinstitutionalized derelicts on an urban street corner, wildly swatting at their own imaginary monsters.

    (Deroy Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University. E-mail him at deroy.Murdock(at)gmail.com)
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    Satellite data from the beginning of the satellite records to June 2009. UAH shows warming over the 30 year period is almost 0. RSS data shows warming of .075C.




    In the meantime, during the same period Co2 has gone from 335ppm to 385ppm.



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    Well, I've heard a lot on this debate - most of it of the view that global warming has been accelerated by man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooglin View Post
    Satellite data from the beginning of the satellite records to June 2009. UAH shows warming over the 30 year period is almost 0. RSS data shows warming of .075C.


    What was the spike around '98-'99?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    What was the spike around '98-'99?
    Strong El Nino.

    1997-1998 El Niņo

    The most recent El Niņo event began in the spring months of 1997. Instrumentation placed on Buoys in the Pacific Ocean after the 1982-1983 El Niņo began recording abnormally high temperatures off the coast of Peru. Over the next couple of months, these strength of these anomalies grew. The anomalies grew so large by October 1997 that this El Niņo had already become the strongest in the 50+ years of accurate data gathering.

    The image below displays the Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomalies in degrees Celsius for the middle of September, 1997. By this time, the classic El Niņo pattern has almost fully ripened, with maxima above +4 degrees Celsius.
    http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gl)/gu.../eln/rcnt.rxml

    That's a bit dated. It's not the "most recent", but you get the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooglin View Post
    Strong El Nino.
    Ah! So what do want to bet that the nuts think man caused that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    Ah! So what do want to bet that the nuts think man caused that too?
    The Sun was very active through the 90s and peaked in 99/2000 I think. Been calming down steadily ever since and the last year or so has been at historic lows. We do have a sunspot now though after something close to a half a year without any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    The Sun was very active through the 90s and peaked in 99/2000 I think. Been calming down steadily ever since and the last year or so has been at historic lows. We do have a sunspot now though after something close to a half a year without any.

    -dale
    Here's the next big thing Dale. The nuts had to stop really pushing the term "global warming", so in order to sustain the hysteria, but try to make it still sound plausible to the gullible public, they settled on "climate change". Once they figure out it really is the Sun causing this, what will be thier excuse? Maybe cell phones and microwaves upsetting the cosmic balance causing solar anomalies? Cow farts, rap music, etc, etc..... Take a guess?

    Someone posted this in another thread, I thought it appropriate for here. I sure miss George!


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    Meet the man who has exposed the great climate change con trick
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    Wednesday, 8th July 2009

    James Delingpole talks to Professor Ian Plimer, the Australian geologist, whose new book shows that ‘anthropogenic global warming’ is a dangerous, ruinously expensive fiction, a ‘first-world luxury’ with no basis in scientific fact. Shame on the publishers who rejected the book
    Imagine how wonderful the world would be if man-made global warming were just a figment of Al Gore’s imagination. No more ugly wind farms to darken our sunlit uplands. No more whopping electricity bills, artificially inflated by EU-imposed carbon taxes. No longer any need to treat each warm, sunny day as though it were some terrible harbinger of ecological doom. And definitely no need for the $7.4 trillion cap and trade (carbon-trading) bill — the largest tax in American history — which President Obama and his cohorts are so assiduously trying to impose on the US economy.

    Imagine no more, for your fairy godmother is here. His name is Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at Adelaide University, and he has recently published the landmark book Heaven And Earth, which is going to change forever the way we think about climate change.

    ‘The hypothesis that human activity can create global warming is extraordinary because it is contrary to validated knowledge from solar physics, astronomy, history, archaeology and geology,’ says Plimer, and while his thesis is not new, you’re unlikely to have heard it expressed with quite such vigour, certitude or wide-ranging scientific authority. Where fellow sceptics like Bjorn Lomborg or Lord Lawson of Blaby are prepared cautiously to endorse the International Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) more modest predictions, Plimer will cede no ground whatsoever. Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) theory, he argues, is the biggest, most dangerous and ruinously expensive con trick in history.

    To find out why, let’s meet the good professor. He’s a tanned, rugged, white-haired sixtysomething — courteous and jolly but combative when he needs to be — glowing with the health of a man who spends half his life on field expeditions to Iran, Turkey and his beloved Outback. And he’s sitting in my garden drinking tea on exactly the kind of day the likes of the Guardian’s George Monbiot would probably like to ban. A lovely warm sunny one.

    So go on then, Prof. What makes you sure that you’re right and all those scientists out there saying the opposite are wrong? ‘I’m a geologist. We geologists have always recognised that climate changes over time. Where we differ from a lot of people pushing AGW is in our understanding of scale. They’re only interested in the last 150 years. Our time frame is 4,567 million years. So what they’re doing is the equivalent of trying to extrapolate the plot of Casablanca from one tiny bit of the love scene. And you can’t. It doesn’t work.’

    What Heaven And Earth sets out to do is restore a sense of scientific perspective to a debate which has been hijacked by ‘politicians, environmental activists and opportunists’. It points out, for example, that polar ice has been present on earth for less than 20 per cent of geological time; that extinctions of life are normal; that climate changes are cyclical and random; that the CO2 in the atmosphere — to which human activity contributes the tiniest fraction — is only 0.001 per cent of the total CO2 held in the oceans, surface rocks, air, soils and life; that CO2 is not a pollutant but a plant food; that the earth’s warmer periods — such as when the Romans grew grapes and citrus trees as far north as Hadrian’s Wall — were times of wealth and plenty.

    All this is scientific fact — which is more than you can say for any of the computer models turning out doomsday scenarios about inexorably rising temperatures, sinking islands and collapsing ice shelves. Plimer doesn’t trust them because they seem to have little if any basis in observed reality.

    ‘I’m a natural scientist. I’m out there every day, buried up to my neck in sh**, collecting raw data. And that’s why I’m so sceptical of these models, which have nothing to do with science or empiricism but are about torturing the data till it finally confesses. None of them predicted this current period we’re in of global cooling. There is no problem with global warming. It stopped in 1998. The last two years of global cooling have erased nearly 30 years of temperature increase.’

    Plimer’s uncompromising position has not made him popular. ‘They say I rape cows, eat babies, that I know nothing about anything. My favourite letter was the one that said: “Dear sir, drop dead”. I’ve also had a demo in Sydney outside one of my book launches, and I’ve had mothers coming up to me with two-year-old children in their arms saying: “Don’t you have any kind of morality? This child’s future is being destroyed.’’’ Plimer’s response to the last one is typically robust. ‘If you’re so concerned, why did you breed?’

    This no-nonsense approach may owe something to the young Ian’s straitened Sydney upbringing. His father was crippled with MS, leaving his mother to raise three children on a schoolteacher’s wage. ‘We couldn’t afford a TV — not that TV even arrived in Australia till 1956. We’d use the same brown paper bag over and over again for our school lunches, always turn off the lights, not because of some moral imperative but out of sheer bloody necessity.’

    One of the things that so irks him about modern environmentalism is that it is driven by people who are ‘too wealthy’. ‘When I try explaining “global warming” to people in Iran or Turkey they have no idea what I’m talking about. Their life is about getting through to the next day, finding their next meal. Eco-guilt is a first-world luxury. It’s the new religion for urban populations which have lost their faith in Christianity. The IPCC report is their Bible. Al Gore and Lord Stern are their prophets.’

    Heaven And Earth is the offspring of a pop science book Plimer published in 2001 called A Short History of Planet Earth. It was based on ten years’ worth of broadcasts for ABC radio aimed mainly at people in rural areas. Though the book was a bestseller and won a Eureka prize, ABC refused to publish the follow-up; so did all the other major publishers he approached: ‘There’s a lot of fear out there. No one wants to go against the popular paradigm.’

    Then someone put him in touch with a tiny publishing outfit in the middle of the bush — ‘husband, wife, three kids, so poor they didn’t even have curtains’ — and they said yes. Plimer couldn’t bring himself to accept an advance they clearly couldn’t afford. But then something remarkable happened. In just two days, the book sold out its 5,000 print run. Five further editions followed in swift succession. It has now sold 26,500 copies in Australia alone — with similarly exciting prospects in Britain and the US. There’s even an edition coming out in ultra-green Germany.

    But surely Aussies of all people, with their bushfires and prolonged droughts, ought to be the last to buy into his message? ‘Ah, but the average punter is not a fool. I get sometimes as many as 1,000 letters and emails a day from people who feel helpless and disenfranchised and just bloody sick of all the nonsense they hear about global warming from metropolitan liberals who don’t even know where meat or milk comes from.’

    Besides which, Australia’s economy is peculiarly vulnerable to the effects of climate change alarmism. ‘Though we have 40 per cent of the world’s uranium, we don’t have nuclear energy. We’re reliant mainly on bucketloads of cheap coal. Eighty per cent of our electricity is coal-generated and clustered around our coalfields are our aluminium producers. The very last thing the Australian economy needs is the cap and trade legislation being proposed by Kevin Rudd. If it gets passed, the country will go broke.’

    Not for one second does Plimer believe it will get passed. As with its US equivalent the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill, Kevin Rudd’s Emission Trading Scheme legislation narrowly squeaked its way through the House of Representatives. But again as in America, the real challenge lies with the upper house, the Senate. Thanks in good measure to the influence of Plimer and his book — ‘I have politicians ringing me all the time’ — the Senate looks likely to reject the bill. If it does so twice, then the Australian government will collapse, a ‘double dissolution’ will be forced and a general election called. ‘Australia is at a very interesting point in the climate change debate,’ says Plimer.

    The potential repercussions outside Oz, of course, are even greater. Until this year, environmental legislation has enjoyed a pretty easy ride through the parliaments of the Anglosphere and the Eurosphere, with greener-than-thou politicians (from Dave ‘Windmill’ Cameron to Dave ‘climate change deniers are the flat-earthers of the 21st century’ Miliband) queuing up to impose ever more stringent carbon emissions targets and taxes on their hapless electorates.

    In the days when most people felt rich enough to absorb these extra costs and guilty enough to think they probably deserved them, the politicians could get away with it. But the global economic meltdown has changed all that. As countless opinion surveys have shown, the poorer people feel, the lower down their list of priorities ecological righteousness sinks. ‘It’s one of the few good things to come out of this recession,’ says Plimer. ‘People are starting to ask themselves: “Can we really afford this green legislation?”’

    Reading Plimer’s Heaven And Earth is at once an enlightening and terrifying experience. Enlightening because, after 500 pages of heavily annotated prose (the fruit of five years’ research), you are left in no doubt that man’s contribution to the thing they now call ‘climate change’ was, is and probably always will be negligible. Terrifying, because you cannot but be appalled by how much money has been wasted, how much unnecessary regulation drafted because of a ‘problem’ that doesn’t actually exist. (South Park, as so often, was probably the first to point this out in a memorable episode where Al Gore turns up to warn the school kids about a terrible beast, looking a bit like the Gruffalo, known as ManBearPig.)

    Has it come in time to save the day, though? If there’s any justice, Heaven And Earth will do for the cause of climate change realism what Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth did for climate change alarmism. But as Plimer well knows, there is now a powerful and very extensive body of vested interests up against him: governments like President Obama’s, which intend to use ‘global warming’ as an excuse for greater taxation, regulation and protectionism; energy companies and investors who stand to make a fortune from scams like carbon trading; charitable bodies like Greenpeace which depend for their funding on public anxiety; environmental correspondents who need constantly to talk up the threat to justify their jobs.

    Does he really believe his message will ever get through? Plimer smiles. ‘If you’d asked any scientist or doctor 30 years ago where stomach ulcers come from, they would all have given the same answer: obviously it comes from the acid brought on by too much stress. All of them apart from two scientists who were pilloried for their crazy, whacko theory that it was caused by a bacteria. In 2005 they won the Nobel prize. The “consensus” was wrong.

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