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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    Can someone post some support for their view from something that isn't a conservative rag site or some dummy science study group sponsored by big oil or some lone scientist whose sucking on the tit of big oil? I gave hundreds. Can you give me one report by a western nations study group that agrees with your pov? Bush's study group didnt. I am supposed to believe the one or two dissenters over every other climate scientist???
    BA1025, Do know you quoted the Ahnold and Bill Clinton?C'mon

    Where are thier creds? I gave you a report from the founder of the weather channel. He is one of the top meteorologist in the world, the man is expert in his field. What worries me is that the Gore-bots are treating and defending this as a religion. Look at how upset the alarmists get when someone puts up evidence that doesn't support the views of the new Greenchurch. Glenn Beck - Interviews - Weather Channel founder suing Gore? I know you won't want to read this, but it is from THE MAN himself. I'm sorry but I haven't found an accredited scientist to support AGW. And yes, I have looked. A LOT

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    Check the periods of both World Wars - the largest release of CO2 in history ... and it was cooler.

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    Image:Instrumental Temperature Record.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I believe this is the answer to your question. It has a number of peaks and troughs but a clear trend


    Image:1000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    thats a scary one huh?
    Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is a topic I would gladly argue all day long. it's like being armed with a bazooka in a knife fight
    Image:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    NCDC: Climate of 2008 - March I dont see here it's been real 'cold' lately and neither does our conservative govt. T

    Good info BA. I looked at each one and noticed that the higher temps reported in the 2000 year reconstruction was reported by The Holocene, which is arguably a liberal rag. You said to me once that the knife I was wielding cuts both ways. I would say the same here. Point is, regardless where you get the info, the overwhelming evidence doesn't support the alarming situation that AL puts out in AN Inconvenient Truth. Did I not hear a clip where he said that temps will rise(or have risen) 10-15 degrees. Your own graphs don't even indicate one full degree over the the past 240 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    BA1025, Do know you quoted the Ahnold and Bill Clinton?C'mon

    Where are thier creds? I gave you a report from the founder of the weather channel. He is one of the top meteorologist in the world, the man is expert in his field. What worries me is that the Gore-bots are treating and defending this as a religion. Look at how upset the alarmists get when someone puts up evidence that doesn't support the views of the new Greenchurch. Glenn Beck - Interviews - Weather Channel founder suing Gore? I know you won't want to read this, but it is from THE MAN himself. I'm sorry but I haven't found an accredited scientist to support AGW. And yes, I have looked. A LOT
    Founding the Weather channel makes him a great businessman. he may even be a greater meteorologist. That is not the same as a Climatologist. What is AGW?

    That was a list of comments by everyone from scientists to business leaders to bankers to venture capitalists and yes some politicians sorry about them..... and you give me Glen Beck as a counter point. I'm sorry Global warming isn't a debate. If you choose not to believe in it i wont engage you anymore out of respect anymore than i would an evangelical who believes the earth is 5000 years old. It's a religious belief i somehow don't get buti don't have to agree with it to respect it.
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    BA- I clicked on this from you Common Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics - Logical Science


    After two more clicks it links you here,
    Think Progress
    are you going to tell me this is not biased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    Check the periods of both World Wars - the largest release of CO2 in history ... and it was cooler.
    there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    BA- I clicked on this from you Common Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics - Logical Science


    After two more clicks it links you here,
    Think Progress
    are you going to tell me this is not biased?
    How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic The real tragedy of global warming is that it DID become a partisan issue. Really that list should just give you a moment of repose. For every name you can find fault with there are 3 that would be considered conservative on any other issue. Al Gore might of brought it attention but he brought it knee jerk detractors based on the presenter
    What is AGW ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result
    Check the period right after both WWs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    What is AGW?
    Anthropogenic global warming. Anthro refers to man made. since its all our fault.
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    If you choose not to believe in it i wont engage you anymore
    I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But I want to thank you for helping me make my point. You didn't bring anything here that would change my mind. So you have chosen to quit debate and stomp away. It's OK, I apologize for upsetting you.
    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    That was a list of comments by everyone from scientists to business leaders to bankers to venture capitalists and yes some politicians sorry about them..... and you give me Glen Beck as a counter point. I'm sorry Global warming isn't a debate.
    WOW! I'm nearly speechless. However, the counterpoint was not "from or by"Glenn Beck, it was from John Coleman......a scientist.

    I referred to it as a religion because, as you are demonstrating, those who are dedicated to the purpose can't be swayed much as a religious fanatic. Something I like about the WAB is you are free to put me on your ignore list if you like. Too bad though:(

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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    there is a ramp up period. when you turn the furnace on and have radiant heat thre is a delay between action and result
    No no. It COOLED, during the until that time most intensely industrial period of history. So there wasn't simply a lag or delay, it cooled.
    It's also possibly cooling now although it's only been ten years, despite every model the IPCC cites stating we should be fast approaching a tipping point with likely positive feed back. Did you learn about positive feedback at school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic The real tragedy of global warming is that it DID become a partisan issue. Really that list should just give you a moment of repose. For every name you can find fault with there are 3 that would be considered conservative on any other issue. Al Gore might of brought it attention but he brought it knee jerk detractors based on the presenter
    What is AGW ?
    Anthropogenic Global Warming. By the way, did you know that Al Gore owns a carbon-credits company? That every time someone offsets their carbon production, they give money to big Al? And that when he justifies his huge carbon footprint by saying he offsets it, he means he's giving money to himself?

    I just thought I'd drop that in since you mentioned Lindzen. I would also mention Hansens funding by Soros, but you probably don't know who that is, you're too young.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    No no. It COOLED, during the until that time most intensely industrial period of history. So there wasn't simply a lag or delay, it cooled.
    It's also possibly cooling now although it's only been ten years, despite every model the IPCC cites stating we should be fast approaching a tipping point with likely positive feed back. Did you learn about positive feedback at school?
    Ahh yes so that would indicate an acceleration...like the graphs over the last 200 years show! You aren't trying to prove me wrong you are trying to prove everyone but the far right fringe wrong. it isn't my theory. I think your post makes that point better than i ever could. this is a political issue for you not a scientific one. Smarter Men than either of us looked at the data and all but a handful have reached the same conclusion

    Anthropogenic Global Warming. By the way, did you know that Al Gore owns a carbon-credits company? That every time someone offsets their carbon production, they give money to big Al? And that when he justifies his huge carbon footprint by saying he offsets it, he means he's giving money to himself?

    I just thought I'd drop that in since you mentioned Lindzen. I would also mention Hansens funding by Soros, but you probably don't know who that is, you're too young
    I remember Kennedy getting shot and grew up when the local river( the naugatuck river) stank and had nothing but worms and bacteria living in it. it has salmon now...cant ever eat them because PCBs don't go away easily but they are living there now. You do know the far right fought the laws that brought that river back to life and used 'science' to base the argument on back then as well ...I haven't been called young in a few years. I am a firm believer in Age and Treachery always getting the better of youth and beauty
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    How about GWB scientific commission he created to study the problem? They believed it real. You can get too a porn site within 7 clicks of any site Does that mean the Wall street journal is pornographic. No, but it should because both show people getting screwed!)

    But seriously, my point was they used it as a support/source for the opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ba1025 View Post
    Ahh yes so that would indicate an acceleration...like the graphs over the last 200 years show! You aren't trying to prove me wrong you are trying to prove everyone but the far right fringe wrong. it isn't my theory. I think your post makes that point better than i ever could. this is a political issue for you not a scientific one. Smarter Men than either of us looked at the data and all but a handful have reached the same conclusion
    Pardon? An acceleration where? of what? Downward? Upward? When? Over what time period, 200 years? WTF are you talking about?
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    Here is what the Republican administrations EPA has to say. reember GWB stood opposed to the theory and has since been forced to aknowledge teh reality by the overwhelming wieght of teh data
    Recent Climate Change - Temperature Changes | Science | Climate Change | U.S. EPA
    All these quotes are from a US govt .gov site
    * Since the mid 1970s, the average surface temperature has warmed about 1F.
    * The Earths surface is currently warming at a rate of about 0.32F/decade or 3.2F/century.
    * The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005.

    Additionally (from IPCC, 2007):

    * The warming trend is seen in both daily maximum and minimum temperatures, with minimum temperatures increasing at a faster rate than maximum temperatures.
    * Land areas have tended to warm faster than ocean areas and the winter months have warmed faster than summer months.
    * Widespread reductions in the number of days below freezing occurred during the latter half of the 20th century in the United States as well as most land areas of the Northern Hemisphere and areas of the Southern Hemisphere.
    * Average temperatures in the Arctic have increased at almost twice the global rate in the past 100 years.
    i am planning my retirement this isn't something that will effect me beyond milder New England winters. It's those around post 2040, 2050 that start facing real problems because of this
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