Thread: Global Warming...Fact or Fiction?

Originally Posted by alexis

How many people here who disagree with global climate change are non-US citizens? I would like to know because i find that Americans are the biggest sceptics of climatic change.

I believe human beings have polluted the planet and continue to do so. It would be better if we stop polluting it more. If we reduce carbon emissions, it is good for our planet and future generations. I know from my lexperience that the climate has become more extreme (ie summers are hotter and winters colder). If it is caused by some other reason than human intervention, i would like to see some proof. I believe humans are responsible for changes in climate; but we are not the only ones. Many factors are also at play; but that does not absolve us of our responsibility to limit the damage we cause to the earth.

Anyhow the coal and oil are fast depleting resources; it makes sense to switch to wind and solar energy.

Of course climate changes, but humans have nothing to do with it. Read this thread or the dozen others on the topic - it's all about the Sun and other large-scale factors that humans do not affect.

Your post is platitude-ridden with no basis in fact: your anecdotal experiences are not significant, "pollution" is not related to climate, what you believe means nothing compared to what you can prove, damaging the Earth has nothing to do with climate either, and wind and solar can never approach the efficiency and immediacy of the vast fossil fuel stores that we continue to find more of every year. You also make the significant mistake of thinking someone has to prove that humans do not affect climate, when, since anthropogenic global warming is your theory, it's your responsibility to prove it's true and to answer any reasonable challenge to it. So you believe that people make the planet hotter. Fine. Now prove it.

If you want to take care of something, get a hamster, but leave the planet alone; it's doing just fine without your misguided estrogenic impulses getting involved.

-dale

Originally Posted by alexis

How many people here who disagree with global climate change are non-US citizens? I would like to know because i find that Americans are the biggest sceptics of climatic change.

If you mean 'those who don't believe anthropogenic CO2 is a significant driver of climate variability' count this New Zealander in.

Originally Posted by alexis

I believe human beings have polluted the planet and continue to do so. It would be better if we stop polluting it more. If we reduce carbon emissions, it is good for our planet and future generations.

Here, you are confusing "pollution" with "climate pattern." One does not lead to another. Dumping sewage on the street is pollution. Will that lead to "global warming?"

Originally Posted by alexis

I know from my lexperience that the climate has become more extreme (ie summers are hotter and winters colder).

From my personal experience, winters are milder and summers are cooler. My winter jackets are getting thinner and thinner. Summer mornings are cooler. I simply don't remember the need for a jacket in a June morning like now.

Originally Posted by alexis

If it is caused by some other reason than human intervention, i would like to see some proof.

How about that big fireball in the sky?

Originally Posted by alexis

I believe humans are responsible for changes in climate;

Here, you seem to imply that the climate should not change. Question: when has climate NOT changed on this planet?

Originally Posted by alexis

but we are not the only ones. Many factors are also at play; but that does not absolve us of our responsibility to limit the damage we cause to the earth.

Here you're implying that there is a "perfect" climate for this planet. Can you specify that climate we should achieve?

Originally Posted by alexis

Anyhow the coal and oil are fast depleting resources; it makes sense to switch to wind and solar energy.

You are welcome to switch. Don't impede my ability to buy oil and coal on the open market.

I'd just add, New Zealands coal reserves (and this is obviously a rough estimate) equate to four hundred years of total current energy consumption for the country. We's got a lot of coal.

Originally Posted by alexis

How many people here who disagree with global climate change are non-US citizens? I would like to know because i find that Americans are the biggest sceptics of climatic change.

I'm one of 'em.