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Reply With QuoteIs your small part of the world getting warmer or cooler?Originally Posted by editec
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I understand that even in the physical sciences there is room for debate.
However consider what it tells us when the physical sciences cannot tell us whether or not Global Warming is happening.
One might think that measuring something so specific as mean average world temperature ought to be not too difficult.
Apparently that is not the case. Apparently even that single issue is still up for scientific debate
So until we have a handle on whether or not global warming is, in fact, happening, it is somewhat premature to posit its cause.
I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean. I presume it's sarcasm.People who were saying the Earth is Sphere were burn alive by those who had consensus that it is flat.
Need them? What do I have to do with it?Why you need divided scientists to tell you if it is happening or not.
I merely note that the scientific community appears to be divided on this issue.
Is it?People in USA say it is cold there, I can tell you this is the coldest and most rainy May over here that I remember for years. Now what? We are warming or we are cooling? This cooling is after effect of the warming or that all GW thing is jiberish?
I really do not know. That is my entire point.
I know that I am not qualified to take a position on the global warming debate, and judging from your responses, neither are you.
I can only observe what is happening in my small part of the globe.
Anecdotal local weather observations are not sufficient evidence to address the question of the aggregate world's climate.
Last edited by editec; 02 Jun 11, at 18:55.
Is your small part of the world getting warmer or cooler?
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
Today it is getting cooler and wetter.
Day before that warmer and dryer.
Which proves absolutely nothing except that the weather changes.
Dude, if you can't come up with something more specific than "the weather changes" about your little part of Maine, why do you think some scientists can unequivocally claim something specific about the entire world?
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So climate changes too. It doesn't mean we did it. Nor does it mean we should stop it.
If the sun decides to get a bit warmer, for whatever the reason, nothing we do on this planet will matter.
When the next ice age hits, no amount of oil we burn can keep half the globe from freezing.
We should adapt to the changing planet instead of adapting the planet to us.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
You mean that big yellow thing in the sky? How can that possibly have anything to do with global warming?
There's actually a sub-group of the climate scientologists who are claiming that global warming will plunge us into the next ice age.
Basically that we will melt Greenland and the influx of fresh water will push the gulf stream south, which will cool the northern hemisphere and voila!
On wall street this is known as "hedging".
To paraphrase Jack Handey- I do not want our children's children to know what snow is, because children should not be having sex.
"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
Ever noticed that the greenies who tell us the sun has nothing to do with "global warming" also suggests that we should harness the sun's energy to ween us off oil?
They'd be good con-man too.
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
I guess that question ought to be posed to someone who posited that: "scientists can unequivocally claim something specific about the entire world", dude.
I have rather consistently suggested that I don't know if global warning is occurring, and noted that neither can the world scientific community arrive as a consensus on that question.
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Why should it be troubling?
Socialism is simply the Collective denial of responsibility.
Did I suggest that it did?
Yeah, I'd say that's a fairly safe betIf the sun decides to get a bit warmer, for whatever the reason, nothing we do on this planet will matter.
I'll be sure to keep that in mind and plan accordingly. How much time do I have?When the next ice age hits, no amount of oil we burn can keep half the globe from freezing.
Sounds like a wise policy. In fact, it sounds like the policy mankind has had all along: Adapting to changing conditionsWe should adapt to the changing planet instead of adapting the planet to us.
Except of course, we and other life forms have been changing (but not planning on changing) the planet all along, haven't we?
The question is: what changes are we humans making now?
And of course, if you've been closely reading my posts in this thread, (instead of reading into what you imagine I must be saying, I mean) you'll pretty qucikly see that my response is
I don't know...and apparently neither can the scientific communoty arrive at a consensus
It appears that some of you SO WANT to debate with a tree hugger that you're inventing straw men to debate with
Sorry boys, you're barking up the wrong tree.
If you want to argue with me, you must argue with what I write, not with that which you wish I'd written.
Last edited by editec; 02 Jun 11, at 22:43.
I have read a lot of your posts in many different threads. I must admit your posts are very ambiguous. You never come out and say what you mean in a clear and concise way. So I have to add some of my own imagination to your posts.
How about this? Some simple yes or no questions:
1. Do you believe that we are changing the world in a significant way by increasing the CO2 content in the atmosphere through the use of fossil fuel?
2. Do you believe that we can alter global temperature by the simple act of controlling the CO2 content in the atmosphere?
"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
You began in this thread with the false premise that climatology is a hard science. Then you based most of what you said on that assumption.
In time the AGW hypothesis will collapse under it's own weight. The only real concern is the massive waste of money surrounding it.
"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
I saw that big yellow ball again today, this is getting us all very concerned.
Cherries will be late this year, but the growers are promising us nice fat cherries that are especially tasty if we will just wait a little while longer...
"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
Nope there is not. You can repeat your claims once and again under same conditions or you can not.
Measuring is scientific. See, in science there is no room for interpretation, either it is warm or it cold, in order not to debate you have those cool letters like C, F, K and the figures in front of them.However consider what it tells us when the physical sciences cannot tell us whether or not Global Warming is happening.
One might think that measuring something so specific as mean average world temperature ought to be not too difficult.
Apparently that is not the case. Apparently even that single issue is still up for scientific debate
For me when it is 20C it is chilly, for Swedes it is warm.
Look for Giordano Bruno and think if it was sarcastic to him.I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean. I presume it's sarcasm.
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Hardiness Zone Changes at arborday.org
neat animation showing the relative stability of plant hardiness zones
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