Climate Change is real!!!!!!!!!

**gunnut** · 23 Jun 07, 22:56

Originally Posted by entropy

The anti-nuclear power jokes are some of the most funny nowadays.

Except for the fact that people actually take them seriously. Are we supposed to stop burning fossil fuels (good idea), shut down nuclear plants (bad idea) and drain power from, well, from where?

They want solar, wind, hydro, and maybe geothermal, if we can solve the technical problems, tidal power.

I heard on the radio the other day that the biggest solar power station in the US just opened for business. It had enough output for 700 homes...

Dude, it has more foot print than 700 homes combined. And this was built in a sunny area. Imagine a solar power station in Seattle. Brownouts will be as common as cloudy days.

Solar power is great. We should use more of it. But we should use all of these as supplements to nuclear and fossil fuel plants. We cannot get rid of pollution. That's what we generate. We should try our best to strike a balance of minizing pollution yet not sacrificing our development.

**~~brokensickle~~** · 24 Jun 07, 06:39

Originally Posted by gunnut

Well, we will need a working model.

The green type likes to point at Venus as a proof of the "runaway greenhouse effect" that the earth will experience if we don't stop putting CO2 in the atmosphere.

The problem is Venus has a lot more CO2 than we have, and it's much closer to the sun. In fact Venus has so much CO2 that it is unlikely humans can put enough in the atmosphere even if we burn all the oil, all the coal, and all the plant lives. Venus has an atmospheric pressure 90 times that of the earth. The gravity on Venus is only 0.9g. And the atmosphere is composed of 96.5% CO2. I don't know how to calculate this but I'm sure us puny humans, try as we might, can put this much CO2 in the atmosphere.

Everything they have presented so far are correlations and small scale models based on a closed system (greenhouse for plants).

We simply don't understand enough about the earth's climate system and track record to do any kind of prediction. Every prediction we have based on a computer model has been wrong. Input past weather pattern and out comes a result that did not match what has taken place.

Global warming is a hoax. It is an industry and a religion.

Earth warms up and earth cools down. There ain't much we can do about it.

Some believe, and I am one that believes, that CO2 increases because of the heat of the Sun. Turning up the heat speeds up the Oxidization of carbon based materials and the result is CO2. What is the composition of most all materials on earth, organic and non-organic? When biomass, such as leaves, limbs, dead animals and bacteria, decomposes the decomposition is a kind of rapid oxidization. This oxidization speeds up in heated conditions. This is why we keep things cool to preserve them from the optimal growth of bacteria from warmer conditions. One of the main byproducts of rapid oxidization is CO2. A Healthy Rain Forest produces CO at a increased rate when the weather is hotter.

Venus receives much more Sun hence more CO2.

Al Gore has an agenda and this explains his convoluted logic and facts used to push his religion.

IVAN

**gunnut** · 24 Jun 07, 06:42

I heard the CO2 increase is due to the dissolved CO2 in the ocean being released at a faster rate as the temperature rises. Temperature rises because of solar activities. But either way, the theory is CO2 increase lags the temperature increase, not leads it.

**taygone** · 26 Jun 07, 04:59

Originally Posted by dalem

Hey look what I found:

From last year, but appears to be a decent summary of what we know about temps across the Solar System. And guess what, folks - it's been getting hotter everywhere. I love being right.

Article here.

Once again, if your planet is getting warmer, you check the Sun first, or you're just whacking off.

-dale

Some gee whiz info.

Canadian Professor: Prepare for Global Cooling

This link is about a how the Sun is going to get cooler in the future. So I guess we should have global warming to keep everyone warm.

It's so hilarious how there can be so many contradicting studies and each is supposed to be the answer and truth. I hope global warming isn't man made and if it is I'll just buy some Carbon Offsets from Former Vice President Gore who can run up the light bill in his Tennessee Mansion and I'm supposed to cut the grass with a rotary mower that'll make me ripped like Conan after I'm down pushing it around the lawn.

**Big K** · 26 Jun 07, 17:07

it is 37 degree celcius right now in Istanbul...

**dalem** · 26 Jun 07, 19:54

Originally Posted by Big K

it is 37 degree celcius right now in Istanbul...

Hot, humid, and windy here today. 93 F. 6 months from now it's likely to be -20 F.

-dale

**gunnut** · 26 Jun 07, 20:27

It's in the low 70F range here along the coast of southern California. Same as always this time of the year.

**~~neyzen~~** · 26 Jun 07, 20:35

It is 53 degree celcius and 38% humidity in Fethiye (south-west of Turkey). 41 degree celcius in shade. I am glad that humidity degree is low. Otherwise I don't know where I escape to. Asphalt became liquid. Yesterday one forest worker died because of heat. Some how tourist don't care the heat and it seems they like it. Heat considered natural disaster. Tomorrow is official holiday here.

**Parihaka** · 26 Jun 07, 21:36

Got a Southerly blowing off the southern ocean here so about 8 degrees c with snow on the Rimutakas. Be sure to wrap up warm.

**dalem** · 26 Jun 07, 22:31

Originally Posted by Parihaka

Got a Southerly blowing off the southern ocean here so about 8 degrees c with snow on the Rimutakas. Be sure to wrap up warm.

Why do our climate-worshippers go into hiding whenever we turn the discussion toward interpretation of fact instead of panic-mongering?

I wonder why...

-dale

**dalem** · 26 Jun 07, 23:02

Can anyone think of anything that would account for multiple planetary bodies all showing direct or indirect evidence of increasing temperatures other than the Sun? The Sun that we already know was enjoying one of its most active known periods during the 90s - early 2000s?

-dale

**gunnut** · 26 Jun 07, 23:06

Originally Posted by neyzen

It is 53 degree celcius and 38% humidity in Fethiye (south-west of Turkey). 41 degree celcius in shade. I am glad that humidity degree is low. Otherwise I don't know where I escape to. Asphalt became liquid. Yesterday one forest worker died because of heat. Some how tourist don't care the heat and it seems they like it. Heat considered natural disaster. Tomorrow is official holiday here.

Wow that's pretty impressive. The hottest place I've been to was Las Vegas at around 116F or roughly 47C. I would estimate the temperature to be around 100F or 38C in the shade. Fortunately Vegas has low humidity so it's not too bad. In fact I don't mind wearing jeans in Vegas in the summer. As long as I don't have to be in direct sun light.

**ArmchairGeneral** · 27 Jun 07, 03:55

Originally Posted by gunnut

Wow that's pretty impressive. The hottest place I've been to was Las Vegas at around 116F or roughly 47C. I would estimate the temperature to be around 100F or 38C in the shade. Fortunately Vegas has low humidity so it's not too bad. In fact I don't mind wearing jeans in Vegas in the summer. As long as I don't have to be in direct sun light.

Mohave Desert. 120 in the shade. Noon. Broken air conditioner. It was interesting.

'Course, that's nothing on some people I know. Went through the Mohave in July. I don't know if their air conditioner worked, but it didn't matter. The engine was overheating, so to cool it down they were driving, in the daytime, with the heat on.

**gunnut** · 27 Jun 07, 05:00

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

Mohave Desert. 120 in the shade. Noon. Broken air conditioner. It was interesting.

'Course, that's nothing on some people I know. Went through the Mohave in July. I don't know if their air conditioner worked, but it didn't matter. The engine was overheating, so to cool it down they were driving, in the daytime, with the heat on.

Yes, I have heard of that trick. I don't think I want to try it.

What I've heard is the Germans have a weird taste for heat. German tourists like to visit the Death Valley just to experience the 140F temperature while having a cold brewsky.

**gunnut** · 27 Jun 07, 09:53

Worms are killing the planet, says top researcher - COMMENT UPDATE 21/06/2007

By Liz Gyekye

Worm composting could be doing more harm than good to the environment, a leading researcher claimed today.

Jim Frederickson, senior research fellow at the Open Universities faculty of technology, said: “Worms produce a significant amount of greenhouse gases. Recent research done by German scientists has found that worms produced a third of nitrous oxide gases when used for composting.”

The ‘wiggly ones’ naturally produce nitrous oxide gases when they are put into the process of composting.

Worms can be used for home grown composting or commercial composting and are typically red worms. They are used to recycle food scraps and other organic material into valuable soil worm compost, otherwise known as vermicompost. This compost can then be used to grow plants.

“We have concentrated on getting waste out of landfill and into worm composting systems but they can actually produce more greenhouse gases than landfill sites produce,” Frederickson said.
Under the Waste Strategy the Government has strongly supported the composting of waste in efforts to reduce the landfilling of biodegradable waste. This includes encouraging householders to invest in home composting systems.

The Government wishes to increase the amount of waste which is composted to 40% by 2010 and 45% by 2015.

Although Frederickson says that worm composting is a positive thing, he claims that not enough research has been done on worms releasing polluting gases.

Frederickson said: “Everybody loves them because they think they can do no harm but they contribute to global warming. People are looking into alternative waste treatments but we have to make sure that we are not jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

“We need to investigate all alternative systems for greenhouse potential.

“The emissions that come from these worms can actually be 290 times more potent than carbon dioxide and 20 times more potent than methane. In all environmental systems you get good points and bad points.”

This has to be a joke. Not even the high priest of global warming cult, Rev. Al himself, could dream up something like this.

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