Temperatures Climb As Warming Talks Stall - Page 2

PacificBlue · 12-24-2005, 05:00 AM

It HAS been really, really hot in Australia. Of course, it's always hot. But hotter than normal. Last five years have been really odd.

Global warming has always taken place and it's taking place right now. The real question is are we influencing it and if we are, can we do something about it?

Anon · 12-25-2005, 21:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxus

It has been REALLY REALLY cold here for December. I live in the same area as Sniper, he'll tell you. For a good couple weeks it was 10-15 degrees colder then normal.

Correct.

dalem · 12-27-2005, 01:26 AM

Anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

-dale

dalem · 12-28-2005, 15:47 PM

Since the Stupid Global Warming Activists thread has evolved, I will post this in here.

Michael Crichton (not one of my favorite authors, by the way) has put it very nicely, with pictures even.

Crichton speech here.

Excerpt:

Quote:

The book really began in 1998, when I set out to write a novel about a global disaster. In the course of my preparation, I rather casually reviewed what had happened in Chernobyl, since that was the worst manmade disaster in recent times that I knew about.

What I discovered stunned me. Chernobyl was a tragic event, but nothing remotely close to the global catastrophe I imagined. About 50 people had died in Chernobyl, roughly the number of Americans that die every day in traffic accidents. I don’t mean to be gruesome, but it was a setback for me. You can’t write a novel about a global disaster in which only 50 people die.

-dale

Lionslamb · 01-06-2006, 07:26 AM

I just wonder if and/or when when the polar caps begin to grow again, are the humans going to take credit and/or blame for that too.

It does bother me though that the US refuses to reduce the gasses because along with all them "warming" gasses comes great amounts of polution. If you dont understand my point go start your car and sit by the ****ler for a while.

Peace...

**Shek** · 01-06-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lionslamb

I just wonder if and/or when when the polar caps begin to grow again, are the humans going to take credit and/or blame for that too.

It does bother me though that the US refuses to reduce the gasses because along with all them "warming" gasses comes great amounts of polution. If you dont understand my point go start your car and sit by the ****ler for a while.

Peace...

I take it you refuse to use a car then?

Anon · 01-06-2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionslamb

I just wonder if and/or when when the polar caps begin to grow again, are the humans going to take credit and/or blame for that too.

It does bother me though that the US refuses to reduce the gasses because along with all them "warming" gasses comes great amounts of polution. If you dont understand my point go start your car and sit by the ****ler for a while.

Peace...

How you gonna blame the US when we've been using cat converters on our cars since 1974, and Europe STILL don't use them?

Idiots.

leolover · 01-10-2006, 12:23 PM

you can´t count europe as a whole...

in germany converters are duty since 1989.

i don´t know how the system in the usa is, but if cars don´t fulfill the exhaust-gas norms (euro 1-4 norm) the owner has to pay more taxes.
this should motivate the people to use "clean" cars.

i think nobody can denie that the usa are the country with the largest emissisions of greenhouse-gases. the usa have the largest economy too, but i think that enviromental protection should also play a role.

ps: what is about the people living near chimneys? if global warming is no reason for you, what about reducing the pollution to get just cleaner air

**Shek** · 01-10-2006, 13:01 PM

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Originally Posted by leolover

you can´t count europe as a whole...

in germany converters are duty since 1989.

i don´t know how the system in the usa is, but if cars don´t fulfill the exhaust-gas norms (euro 1-4 norm) the owner has to pay more taxes.
this should motivate the people to use "clean" cars.

i think nobody can denie that the usa are the country with the largest emissisions of greenhouse-gases. the usa have the largest economy too, but i think that enviromental protection should also play a role.

ps: what is about the people living near chimneys? if global warming is no reason for you, what about reducing the pollution to get just cleaner air

Germany was certainly pristine and beautiful. I lived 10 miles from the foothills of the Alps in northern Italy a few years back, and the only time I saw them was right after it rained or it was extremely windy. Italian auto emissions were horrendous.

Anon · 01-10-2006, 15:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leolover

you can´t count europe as a whole...

in germany converters are duty since 1989.

i don´t know how the system in the usa is, but if cars don´t fulfill the exhaust-gas norms (euro 1-4 norm) the owner has to pay more taxes.
this should motivate the people to use "clean" cars.

i think nobody can denie that the usa are the country with the largest emissisions of greenhouse-gases. the usa have the largest economy too, but i think that enviromental protection should also play a role.

ps: what is about the people living near chimneys? if global warming is no reason for you, what about reducing the pollution to get just cleaner air

In the US if your car can't pass emmisions you can't drive it. No extra taxes here, you just aren't allowed to legally operate the vehicle on public roads. Cat converters have been standard equip on all US automobiles since 1974. Why did it take Germany until 1989? And what the hell is the rest of Europe waiting for???

At any rate, people in greenhouses shouldn't throw stones...

dalem · 06-14-2007, 13:34 PM

For nightsoil.

-dale

**Parihaka** · 06-30-2007, 04:35 AM

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"None of the models used by IPCC is initialised to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models corresponds even remotely to the current observed climate.

"The state of the oceans, sea ice and soil moisture has no relationship to the observed state at any recent time in any of the IPCC models.

"There is neither an El Nino sequence nor any Pacific Decadal Oscillation that replicates the recent past; yet these are critical modes of variability that affect Pacific rim countries and beyond . . . the starting climate state in several of the models may depart significantly from the real climate owing to model errors" and "regional climate change is impossible to deal with properly unless the models are initialised".

GCMs "assume linearity" which "works for global forced variations, but it cannot work for many aspects of climate, especially those related to the water cycle . . . the science is not done because we do not have reliable or regional predictions of climate".

KEVIN Trenberth is head of the large US National Centre for Atmospheric Research and one of the advisory high priests of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

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12-24-2005, 05:00 AM	#16 (permalink)
PacificBlue New Member Join Date: 07-07-05 Posts: 17	It HAS been really, really hot in Australia. Of course, it's always hot. But hotter than normal. Last five years have been really odd. Global warming has always taken place and it's taking place right now. The real question is are we influencing it and if we are, can we do something about it?

12-27-2005, 01:26 AM	#18 (permalink)
dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,185 Country:	Anecdotal evidence is meaningless. -dale

01-06-2006, 07:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lionslamb Banished Join Date: 05-26-05 Posts: 25	I just wonder if and/or when when the polar caps begin to grow again, are the humans going to take credit and/or blame for that too. It does bother me though that the US refuses to reduce the gasses because along with all them "warming" gasses comes great amounts of polution. If you dont understand my point go start your car and sit by the ****ler for a while. Peace...

01-10-2006, 12:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
leolover Regular Join Date: 10-20-05 Posts: 26	you can´t count europe as a whole... in germany converters are duty since 1989. i don´t know how the system in the usa is, but if cars don´t fulfill the exhaust-gas norms (euro 1-4 norm) the owner has to pay more taxes. this should motivate the people to use "clean" cars. i think nobody can denie that the usa are the country with the largest emissisions of greenhouse-gases. the usa have the largest economy too, but i think that enviromental protection should also play a role. ps: what is about the people living near chimneys? if global warming is no reason for you, what about reducing the pollution to get just cleaner air

06-14-2007, 13:34 PM	#26 (permalink)
dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,185 Country:	For nightsoil. -dale

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