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11-26-2005, 20:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
Your comment about Pol Pot is completely unwarranted.
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Not really, he had the same kind of ideas.
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It is disgusting and should not be applauded.
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You also have no right to punish it.
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
I was writing about tax incentives. I thought that you asserted that that tax incentives were a form of looting. I do not think that.
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That's taking money from someone against their will and giving it to someone else. Personally I consider it outright strong arm robery.
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11-26-2005, 20:36 PM
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#47 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
The topic is global warming, and somehow it is now obesity. I will not turn this into a discussion of eugenics. I do have opinions on the above issues, especially stupidity. However, I won't comment on them. I sense that your post is not an earnest objection as much as it is an effort to entrap me. You probably seek to delegitimize my argument by pointing out the 'inhumanity' of controlling human behavior. This attempt will not be successful.
My comments are scientific and topical to the debate. You seem to think that I am espousing some grand reordering of society. No, I am pointing out the actual economic costs of obesity. My opinions are shared by many economists, physicians, and concerned citizens.
Your comment about Pol Pot is completely unwarranted. The very silly thing is that you point out other traits like stupidity, nearsightedness, and ugliness. All of those traits are innate. However, a good degree of obesity is avoidable. Unlike the irrelevant traits you mention, obesity is the product of laziness, weak will, and gluttony. It is disgusting and should not be applauded.
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As a counterpoint, you can get plastic surgery and lasik, so you can control vision problems and ugliness.
As far as the topic changing, that is a common occurence. Instead of looking at an attempt to play gotcha, think of message boards as being a conversation as opposed to a structured debate.
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11-26-2005, 20:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Confed999
Not really, he had the same kind of ideas.
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I wasn't aware of Pol Pot's anti-obesity initiatives. Did I miss his 'Get Healthy Cambodia" program? Who can forget his imposed ban on fast food?
I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LOSING WEIGHT! For once, lets keep it at that. This is weight watchers, not fascist/communist/Pol Pot takeover. If you want to get my opinions on fascism, take a look at the Supreme Dictator thread.
By the way, I find this really funny. The rest of this post has to be sacrificed to humor. I can't contain myself...[starts twitching, cranks up the Wyclef Jean tape]
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You also have no right to punish it.
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I have a right to tell these very fat people to go do a few jumping jacks. Man, I'll walk up to them and slap them in the face. "Look people, you are gifted with the greatest machine ever known to man - the human body. All you can do is sit around and get fat?!"
Tolerance in this case, sadly, is just weakness disguised.
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That's taking money from someone against their will and giving it to someone else. Personally I consider it outright strong arm robery.
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Well, hell! I guess we might as well disband the government and call it a day. Sorry folks, no taxes! We finally realized that taking money from people is plain old wrong, even if it is essential for the social programs and army they love.
Let's move beyond grade school lessons about sharing. We all have to fork over a little money from time to time.
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11-26-2005, 20:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
I wasn't aware of Pol Pot's anti-obesity initiatives.
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Once the government starts descriminating against it's people, forced labor camps are right around the corner, and death camps around the next.
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I have a right to tell these very fat people to go do a few jumping jacks.
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You do, the government does not.
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Man, I'll walk up to them and slap them in the face.
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Do it in front of me, and I will hold you for the police.
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Tolerance in this case, sadly, is just weakness disguised.
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Well, hell! I guess we might as well disband the government and call it a day. Sorry folks, no taxes! We finally realized that taking money from people is plain old wrong, even if it is essential for the social programs and army they love.
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Nobody should be worried about paying a fair tax, but you're talking about taxing one, and giving to another. Social programs, beyond emergency assisstance, are discriminatory, and are theft.
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Damn, it feels good to be sarcastic!
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Too bad it was unwarranted... |
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11-26-2005, 20:57 PM
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#50 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
I was writing about tax incentives. I thought that you asserted that that tax incentives were a form of looting. I do not think that. I was not writing about jail time. In fact, I wrote that tax incentives are softer than things like jail time. We have a simple misunderstanding.
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Yes, we do. I thought you were talking about both tax incentives and new taxes. Anytime the Government reduces or cuts away taxes, it's a good thing. |
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11-26-2005, 21:05 PM
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Well, hell! I guess we might as well disband the government and call it a day. Sorry folks, no taxes! We finally realized that taking money from people is plain old wrong, even if it is essential for the social programs and army they love.
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There are non-coercive options. A contract fee, for example, would be a payment to the Government to enforce your contract, which could be say 5% of the value of the contract. You could also have lotteries, but this would be limited because the Government wouldn't have a monopoly on lotteries. You could also make a flat "tax" (5-10%) that you could pay before you are allowed to vote or run for office. Basically I think a combination of these would be most effective. These are just options, nothing definitive. |
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11-26-2005, 21:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Confed999
Once the government starts descriminating against it's people, forced labor camps are right around the corner, and death camps around the next.
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One might argue that forced labor for obese people would be a good thing.
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You do, the government does not.
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Fine, the government will strongly advise the fat people.
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Do it in front of me, and I will hold you for the police.
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I won't do it in front of you. I'll be slapping fat people left and right, and you'll never catch me! Mwahahahahaha! [slaps fat neighbor]
I'm the stealth slapper. The Ghostface Slapper!
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Originally Posted by Confed999
Pol Pot
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Coffee Pot more likely.
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Originally Posted by Confed999
Nobody should be worried about paying a fair tax, but you're talking about taxing one, and giving to another. Social programs, beyond emergency assisstance, are discriminatory, and are theft.
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I'm talking about tax incentives. Actually, the program I was mentioning involves giving money back to healthy people, or something like that (I haven't really fleshed out the details). Anyway, tax incentives are used all the time by the U.S. government people. How about the marriage tax?
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Too bad it was unwarranted...
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I invoke my right of self-entertainment. |
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11-26-2005, 21:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxus
There are non-coercive options. A contract fee, for example, would be a payment to the Government to enforce your contract, which could be say 5% of the value of the contract. You could also have lotteries, but this would be limited because the Government wouldn't have a monopoly on lotteries. You could also make a flat "tax" (5-10%) that you could pay before you are allowed to vote or run for office. Basically I think a combination of these would be most effective. These are just options, nothing definitive.
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As far as I know, the tax incentives Barrowaj and I were mentioning were in the vein of non-coercive options. |
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11-26-2005, 21:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus
One might argue that forced labor for obese people would be a good thing.
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Pol Pot
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Fine, the government will strongly advise the fat people.
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What gives them the right to do that?
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I won't do it in front of you. I'll be slapping fat people left and right, and you'll never catch me! Mwahahahahaha! [slaps fat neighbor]
I'm the stealth slapper. The Ghostface Slapper!
Coffee Pot more likely.
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I'm talking about tax incentives. Actually, the program I was mentioning involves giving money back to healthy people, or something like that (I haven't really fleshed out the details).
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Taking from one, and giving to another, that's what I said. Descrimination is wrong.
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Anyway, tax incentives are used all the time by the U.S. government people. How about the marriage tax?
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They're theft, and they're wrong.
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I invoke my right of self-entertainment.
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I have that right too, and alot more power. Getting the idea you want a free and fair government here on WAB too? |
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11-26-2005, 21:18 PM
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Expanding on my general Stealth Slapper theme: Ninjas vs. Fat People.
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No hot linking please. |
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11-26-2005, 21:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Confed999
No hot linking please.
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What does that mean? By the way, I am writing a serious response to your points. But I still think you're taking this out of proportion. |
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11-26-2005, 21:21 PM
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Hey, where did my pictures for the Ninja vs. Fat people post go?
Ahh, they're back.
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11-26-2005, 21:25 PM
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What does that mean?
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Originally Posted by Ironduke
Just FYI, for those who don't read the rules, I'll post those concerning this forum here.
§ 4.4) hotlinking is forbidden, WAB has a generous attachment policy, up to 5 pictures totaling 1MB for all attachments is allowed per post, please save the pictures to your computer, then upload them if you wish to use them in a post
Hotlinking definition: Hotlinking is a term for a specific form of bandwidth theft, when someone, rather than storing an image or file in their server space, sets the HTML to refer to a site they don't own, therefore setting the server usage to someone else's account, possibly on the other side of the world. This is clearly a serious problem, especially if you're paying for server space.
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Posting pictures (uploading and hotlinking)
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But I still think you're taking this out of proportion.
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All I've done is point out that government descrimination is Hitler/Pol Pot BS. |
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11-26-2005, 21:26 PM
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Hey, where did my pictures for the Ninja vs. Fat people post go?
Ahh, they're back.
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Are you playing games here? |
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