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    Stop Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth

    Stop Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth
    Published: 17 April 2009 11:22 | Changed: 20 April 2009 18:12
    As the world clamours for food, the environmentalist lobby continues to oppose genetically modified crops. How much longer?
    By Hidde Boersma

    http://www.nrc.nl/international/Opin...s_of_the_Earth


    In places as far apart as Egypt, Cameroon and Haiti people rioted for more food last year with dozens of deaths as a result. The world's population is increasing and food prices follow close behind. There is simply not enough food to go around. An obvious solution is to increase food production by using more land for agricultural purposes, but this can only be done at nature's expense. Increasing the productivity of the existing farm land is a better idea. Biotechnology and genetic modification offer a way out.

    Scientists have succeeded in increasing corn and wheat productivity by several dozens of percents. A new type of rice has been developed that is more resistant to flooding, and wheat has been genetically modified to better withstand draughts. Both crops would give local populations more reliable harvests.

    Unfortunately, none of these genetically modified crops are being cultivated in Europe. Their introduction is opposed by Greenpeace and other environmental organisations. Even experimental fields, where the impact of GM crops on the environment are tested, are destroyed on a regular basis by environmental groups. Most recently, two test fields run respectively by the agricultural university of Wageningen and the potato starch company Aveve in Groningen met with that fate.

    It seems the environmental organisations are not that interested in the test results. Maybe they're afraid of having been wrong all these years, if it turns out that the damage to the environment is not that bad. It doesn't seem to bother them one bit that their guerrilla tactics are putting lives at risk.

    One would think that the green movement would have plenty of smart people; many a biology student has ended up there. And yet, the environmentalists still don't seem to realise that genetically modifying food is little more than an enhanced way of improving crops by crossing them. Have they ever compared a wild strawberry with one from a greenhouse? Or an original corn cob with a contemporary one? The latter has become a whole different thing just by crossing. But the green movement never mentions this.

    Crossing plants has the same effect as genetically modifying them except that it is slower and less efficient. For instance, it took no less than forty years to make the potato plant resistant to the pathogenic Phytophtera fungus, which causes potato rot. Researchers in Wageningen managed to do the same thing in two years through genetic modification, and the resulting potato plant was six times more resistant than its crossed variation. Alas, the Wageningen potato plant is also a long way from being introduced to the market.

    Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth say genetically modified crops damage the environment. But dozens of articles in authoritative scientific publications such as Nature and Science paint an entirely different picture: the impact of genetically modified plants is negligible. The hundreds of thousands of hectares of GM crops that were cultivated in recent years have not caused any damage to the environment worth mentioning.

    Still, because of the influence the environmental lobby wields, many companies are afraid of investing in gentech crops. What's more, the cost of research and development has increased manifold because of the risk analysis requirements, which are entirely disproportionate in comparison with what is required for traditionally crossed crops.

    Add the costs from sabotage and other guerrilla tactics used by the environmental fanatics, and only the largest biotech multinationals such as Monsanto and Bayer can still afford to develop GM crops. It is a cynical thing that it is precisely the dogmatic position taken by the environmentalists that is driving the monopolies of the multinationals, the very thing the environmental movement so vehemently opposes.

    How much longer are politicians going to allow themselves to be held hostage by the environmental movement? How many more food riots do we need before the environmental movement is ready to let go of its dogmas? If we want to meet the goal set by the G8 to double food production by 2050, the time to invest in biotechnology is now.
    Hidde Boersma is a freelance science journalist.
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    I didn't read the article but I totally agree with it just by the title.

    It's earth day today and I plan to burn some extra gasoline. What else can I do to thwart the sinister environmental movement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I didn't read the article but I totally agree with it just by the title.

    It's earth day today and I plan to burn some extra gasoline. What else can I do to thwart the sinister environmental movement?
    You type of people really think everything is against you isn't it? I mean I understand your hatred of the environmental movement as some of it goes abit far, but at the end of the day, the world would be a better place if there was less pollution and if things were more efficient and we were less reliant on stupid oil.

    I don't see why some people are so reluctant to progress. I understand you're "conservatives" and thus reluctant to progress and change (unless it's progress in the field of killing someone in a better way) but for **** sake, throughout the years before it was always about being at the forefront of progress for the Western world, I don't know what the hell has happened these days, too many idiots longing for things to "go back to how they were" - Were they saying that shit in the 19th century? You'd get laughed at and called an idiot

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    You type of people really think everything is against you isn't it? I mean I understand your hatred of the environmental movement as some of it goes abit far, but at the end of the day, the world would be a better place if there was less pollution and if things were more efficient and we were less reliant on stupid oil.
    Which has what to do with wanting to starve 3rd world people because of crazy unsupported preferences of food?

    World would be a better place when Greenpeace members zero their own carbon footprint.
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    It doesn't have anything to do with anything, that guy went on his own little rant about environmentalists and how its all evil (thus probably trying to say that they're evil and he's the good guy) and then talks about how he burnt some petrol as a show of defiance, and all I'm saying is he's an idiot for being so backwards

    Like I said, I don't condone everything these environmental type of people do, not by a long shot, sometimes they go too far. But I find myself agreeing with them in a lot of things, specifically when it comes to things like pollution/energy generation and energy saving/efficiency.

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    What's wrong with the conservative approach to these things? Energy conservation and pollution control is a good idea mainly because it saves you money? What's wrong with that approach instead of force feeding everyone the earth is dying pill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I didn't read the article but I totally agree with it just by the title.

    It's earth day today and I plan to burn some extra gasoline. What else can I do to thwart the sinister environmental movement?
    Damn your disrespectful attitude Gunnut, don't you know these people care!??!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    World would be a better place when Greenpeace members zero their own carbon footprint.
    I have been a Greenpeace member for 18 years.

    In case you care, you don't offend me, anyway.

    I'm no environment fundamentalist, but I am completely against genetically modified food.

    The article you posted is demagogic and just wrong.

    I'll try to expand in the next few days, but the root of the problems you are looking for are called OIL and OVERPOPULATION.

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    I have been a Greenpeace member for 18 years.
    Explains all.

    I'll try to expand in the next few days, but the root of the problems you are looking for are called OIL and OVERPOPULATION.
    You going to martyr yourself for the cause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    Explains all.

    Really?

    I wouldn't be too optimistic if I were you about your own cognitive abilities considering that in one thread you claimed that:

    South Korean troops served in the 2nd Indochina War and OIF. Israel comes up short compared with Thailand as well.
    I say this sincerely. It is one of the dumbest ideas I have read on the board.


    You going to martyr yourself for the cause?
    I don't like martyrs. My sentimental education belongs to the Greek Philosophy, including the epicureans, and not even the stoics liked martyrs.

    But the world would be much, much better off without hypocrites whose policies provoke a surge in oil prices, which provoke a surge in food prices, and then blame it on Greenpeace.

    Egypt, Cameroon and Haiti related to GM food?

    Get outta here idiot..

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    Oh, and if you are American this other claim you made verges treason, even if is only out of stupidity:

    Israel has sold our technology to our enemies and ruined our image in the Muslim World all for the low price of billions a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castellano View Post
    I'll try to expand in the next few days, but the root of the problems you are looking for are called OIL and OVERPOPULATION.
    What overpopulation are you talking about? All the western nations, including Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, have birth rate of less than the replacement ratio of 2.1. US is just barely at that number.

    Japan lost people last year. Greece, France, Germany, the Scandanavians, UK, and Spain, will start to lose people soon.
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    Look at the case of Ethiopia.

    Remember the famine in the 80s?

    Have a look at the population then, and what is now.

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    Oh, and if you are American this other claim you made verges treason, even if is only out of stupidity:
    Actually that's not treason .

    I say this sincerely. It is one of the dumbest ideas I have read on the board.
    Huh? Outside of the thread, but yeah South Korea and Thai troops have fought and died overseas alongside American soldiers. That had to do with the 3 billions dollars a year in dead weight our foreign policy is tied to.

    But the world would be much, much better off without hypocrites whose policies provoke a surge in oil prices, which provoke a surge in food prices, and then blame it on Greenpeace.
    Oppose energy security, oppose food security; then call me treasonous for not supporting Israel....

    I don't like martyrs.
    Zero your "carbon footprint". Save the ozone, food supplies, gas supplies, pagan children, and the bandwidth on this forum.
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