Canmoore

The snowiest national capital city in the world, is nearing a 37 year record. In 1971 Ottawa received 444cm (174.8in), to date Ottawa now received around 420cm of snow. And with 20% of the annual snow falling in March, more is on the way..

This has been a real Canadian winter, not those skimpy pathetic winters we have had the past number of years. However, apparently.. people seem to forget what a real winter is like in Canada..and this winter is scaring the crap out'a the greenies...who are blaming..yup you guessed it..Global Warming on this winter!

Normally, Eastern and Central Canada receives winters gift of crappy weather from the Gulf of Mexico, systems form and track NE through the states than wallop Canada as Winter Storms.

This year, apparently global warming is creating more of these systems in the south, which means more snow in NE Canada. Funny thing though..is that although Ottawa is the snowiest National Capital in the world, it is just another snowy city in Canada.. so while Ottawa is breaking records, other places like Quebec, BC, Manitoba, and the Maratimes are getting there fare share of winters misery, that would make any Ontarian shriek in horror!!

And what about that 1971 winter...if it was so bad, than surely Global Warming must have been around then...but NO!! back then it was Global Cooling that all the cappuccino suckers in the cities were fearing..

So apparently...skimpy winters means global warming, and Heavy winters also means Global warming!! so um...if I tripped over my untied shoelace I surely must be able to blame it on global warming also!!

gunnut

Didn't you get the memo?

If it's cold it's global warming.

If it's warm it's global warming.

If the temperature is just right it's global warming because it should have been warmer/colder.

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Canmoore

ROFL

JAD_333

Having received generous grants to study the "causes" of Global Warming--excuse me, Global Climate Change--is it reasonable to expect that the same researchers will apply for grants to study what's going wrong with their models?

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gunnut

No. Their models are correct. The earth is wrong. They will apply for grants to study what is wrong with the earth and how humans could have caused it.

JAD_333

I thought they had already done that and now would want to know why the earth isn't cooperating. The disappearance of the forests which once covered the region that is now the Sahara Desert would strongly suggest that man is not needed to change the environment. But what do I know.

Canmoore

Exactly, the earth never stays put. Tectonic movement, glaciation, and changes in ocean currents cause deserts to form, forests to spread, mountains to build...

Not just 11,000 years ago the earth was in an Ice Age. Now the Glaciers have just about fully retreated. And people are wondering why animals traditionally from southern climes are being found further and further north. As glaciers retreat, life will follow.

Just like how loons with follow the thawing of lakes from the south to north in the spring, life will follow the melting of glaciers in the wake of an ice age..

BUT oh no, it HAS to be because of global warming

JAD_333

Therein lies a problem. Of course, the earth changes without any help from us. It may also change in some ways with our help.

This leads to a couple of tough questions. Aside from localized changes, how do we distinguish between what is unfolding naturally and what man causes? And, if man is a cause of anything significant, so what? Everything in nature plays a role in change; why not man?

I've heard it said that man contains the key to his remaining evolution in his genetic code and he will evolve as is necessary to adapt to gradual changes in his environment, e.g., changes in atmospehere, temperature, microbes...etc. He has already evolved a long way. You can see that in every gestation cycle as the embryo evolves through each stage of man's previous form until it arrives at this point in its evolution. He can evolve from here only in response to permanent environmental change. Almost makes sense. So, crazy as it may sound, change in the earth may be destined no matter what we do.

Canmoore

I believe that the forces of nature are far stronger and go deeper than anything humans can do.

Just like how beavers can flood an area, displacing other animals and altering there environment. In the grand scheme of things, it really does not amount to much.

Humans are able to change there immediate surroundings quite drastically, however just like the beaver, in the big picture it is just a superficial scratch.

Sure humans can dig giant pits in the earth, remove billions of tonnes of earth, chop down forests, build a dam and kill a river, spew tonnes of pollutants into the atmosphere, drain wetlands....

However, all of these compared to erosion from wind and water, tectonic forces (earthquakes, volcanoes), hurricanes/tornadoes, floods... our activities simply just pale in comparison, and do not go deep enough to really cause change that will last for millions of years.

The earth has been bombarded by space-born objects for billions of years...yet, we do not see any craters..other than the big ones. So how can we even begin to think that what we are capable of doing as humans, will have a lasting impact??