For Those Who Fear Global Warming, Please Read...

brokensickle · 02-04-2008, 01:58 AM

CO2 THE GREEN GAS...

The Linkmiester.....Will Media Expose Global Warming Con Job?

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THANK YOU, IVAN

dalem · 02-04-2008, 05:43 AM

El doublo posto.

dalem · 02-04-2008, 05:44 AM

Do we really need a new thread for this one?

Anyway, I skimmed the article and it's not saying anything much different than what I've been saying for ten years:

There's no proof that increased CO2 is bad, there's no proof that it's a driver and not a follower, and there's no proof that humans did, can, or could do anything to influence it in any meaningful way.

There is, however, solid proof that the people telling us that it's bad, a driver, and within our responsibility and capability are using bad data (Mann, Hansen), cooked conclusions (IPCC), and deliberate scare tactics (Al Gore) to sway opinion, control our lives, and make money.

That's why I think that anyone who falls for it is a bit of a ninny, at best a useful idiot, and at worst a social engineer of the worst sort.

That's as clear and concise a summary as I've ever come up with.

-dale

brokensickle · 02-04-2008, 14:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Do we really need a new thread for this one?

Evidently, Yes. But not to convince you.

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Anyway, I skimmed the article and it's not saying anything much different than what I've been saying for ten years:

This is true. But as the lefty enviro wieners have brain washed the public and continue to brainwash the public one must be vigilant in showing the otherside. Some people have already forgot about the WTC attacks.

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There's no proof that increased CO2 is bad, there's no proof that it's a driver and not a follower, and there's no proof that humans did, can, or could do anything to influence it in any meaningful way.

There is, however, solid proof that the people telling us that it's bad, a driver, and within our responsibility and capability are using bad data (Mann, Hansen), cooked conclusions (IPCC), and deliberate scare tactics (Al Gore) to sway opinion, control our lives, and make money (Ethanol).

That's why I think that anyone who falls for it is a bit of a ninny, at best a useful idiot, and at worst a social engineer of the worst sort.

That's as clear and concise a summary as I've ever come up with.

-dale

You are just short of deity when it comes to this topic...well way short of deity. But good on the topic of what's true and what's not about global warming. I think you are the first one that I heard call it 'Gorebal warming'.
And hockey sticks are used for more than hitting a puck around.

Ivan

dalem · 02-04-2008, 18:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brokensickle

You are just short of deity when it comes to this topic...well way short of deity. But good on the topic of what's true and what's not about global warming. I think you are the first one that I heard call it 'Gorebal warming'.
And hockey sticks are used for more than hitting a puck around.

Ivan

Aww shucks. I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. And I don't think it was me with the "Gorebal warming". I do refer to him as the Reverand Al however.

-dale

brokensickle · 02-04-2008, 20:26 PM

It is articles like this that give us reason to be vigilant in posting the other views. This article is designed for those who do not know the other views and is nothing more than 'FEAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA'. As rational people are questioning why the globe seems to be cooling, IE. snow in places that it hasn't fallen in at least a century, the pseudo science media complex is telling us and them that the reason for the cooling is the heating. Weather has always been unpredictable and filled with numerous variables.

Yes this is just a new line in the tactics to fool the unlearned and dupable into not believing the evidence that sets right in front of their noses.

The Following Article is MALE BOVINE EXCREMENT Read it But Don't Step in it.

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Climate set for 'sudden shifts'
By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News

Many of Earth's climate systems will undergo a series of sudden shifts this century as a result of human-induced climate change, a study suggests.
A number of these shifts could occur this century, say the report's authors.

They argue that society should not be lulled into a false sense of security by the idea that climate change will be a gradual process.

The work by an international team appears in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal.

"Our findings suggest that a variety of tipping elements could reach their critical point within this century under human-induced climate change," he said.

"The greatest threats are tipping of the Arctic sea-ice and the Greenland ice sheet, and at least five other elements could surprise us by exhibiting a nearby tipping point."

The bulk of climate scientists now believe that human induced global warming has begun to affect some aspects of our climate.

Risk assessment

But that change is the start of a series of more dramatic changes if global warming continues, according to a group of more than 50 scientists.

In a formal survey the researchers said that a number of systems that influence the Earth's weather patterns could begin to collapse suddenly if there's even a slight increase in global temperatures.

At greatest risk is arctic sea ice, the Greenland ice sheet and the west Antarctic ice sheet.

The researchers have listed and ranked nine ecological systems that they say could be lost this century as a result of global warming. The nine tipping elements and the time it will take them to undergo a major transition are:

Melting of Arctic sea-ice (about 10 years)
Decay of the Greenland ice sheet (about 300 years)
Collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet (about 300 years)
Collapse of the Atlantic thermohaline circulation (about 100 years)
Increase in the El Nino Southern Oscillation (about 100 years)
Collapse of the Indian summer monsoon (about 1 year)
Greening of the Sahara/Sahel and disruption of the West African monsoon (about 10 years)
Dieback of the Amazon rainforest (about 50 years)
Dieback of the Boreal Forest (about 50 years)
The paper also demonstrates how, in principle, early warning systems could be established using real-time monitoring and modelling to detect the proximity of certain tipping points.

This article exhibits no science and loads of fear and creates future scenarios that needs to be held in account for its bold predictions.

It's all a scam to tax us into hell. When these false prophets are proved wrong they simply change their weak stories. Manipulation by peoples fears on this scale should have a punishment attached to it.

It's a dangerous thing they do IMHO.

Ivan

wkllaw · 02-05-2008, 17:47 PM

Guys, It no longer matters whether or not Global warming is real or not, what is real is the consensus already reached by the majority of the population on this issue that it is real. We could all say whether it is real or not, but the majority do believe and thus we'll be acting on it.

I'm not a expert and I never had the time to study this issue in depth so I can't make any solid judgements on this issue, but I can see what most people are thinking and what the popular mood is.

dalem · 02-05-2008, 20:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wkllaw

Guys, It no longer matters whether or not Global warming is real or not, what is real is the consensus already reached by the majority of the population on this issue that it is real. We could all say whether it is real or not, but the majority do believe and thus we'll be acting on it.

I'm not a expert and I never had the time to study this issue in depth so I can't make any solid judgements on this issue, but I can see what most people are thinking and what the popular mood is.

Of course it still matters.

-dale

brokensickle · 02-08-2008, 04:01 AM

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David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change.

At a Montreal conference last Thursday, the prominent scientist, broadcaster and Order of Canada recipient exhorted a packed house of 600 to hold politicians legally accountable for what he called an intergenerational crime. Though a spokesman said yesterday the call for imprisonment was not meant to be taken literally, Dr. Suzuki reportedly made similar remarks in an address at the University of Toronto last month.

The proposal has lit up many conservative blogs since it was first reported by the McGill Daily on Monday.

Addressing the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability, hosted by the Faculty of Management, Dr. Suzuki's wide-ranging speech warned against favouring the economy to the detriment of the ecology -- the tarsands in Northern Alberta being his prime example.

"You have lived your entire lives in a completely unsustainable period," he told students and fans. "You all think growth and [climate] change is normal. It's not."

Toward the end of his speech, Dr. Suzuki said that "we can no longer tolerate what's going on in Ottawa and Edmonton" and then encouraged attendees to hold politicians to a greater green standard.

"What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there's a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they're doing is a criminal act," said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.

"It's an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years."

The statement elicited rounds of applause.

"He sounded serious," said McGill Tribune news editor Vincci Tsui, who covered the event. "I think he wanted to send home the message that this is very crucial issue."

When asked for further comment, Dan Maceluch, a spokesman for Dr. Suzuki, said that he did not mean the statement to be taken literally.

"He's not advocating locking people up, but he is pulling his hair out."

How a law concerning climate-change denial could be enforced baffled at least one leading criminal-law expert. "We used to have an offence of spreading false news," said Kent Roach, the Prichard-Wilson Chair of Law and Public Policy at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law.

"But that was struck down by the Supreme Court."

Yet there could be a better blueprint for Dr. Suzuki's legal scenario.

The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, a Liberal-sponsored private member's bill that passed and was given Royal Assent last year, legally requires the Conservative government to abide by the international pact's short-term environmental targets.

In the event that conditions are not met, government officials are held liable.

"Every person who contravenes a regulation made under this Act is guilty of an offence punishable by indictment or on summary conviction, as prescribed by the regulations," the act reads, "and liable to a fine or to imprisonment as prescribed by the regulations."

The act adds that there are further legal measures in the event of subsequent and continuing offences, but does not specify the penalties.

The Conservative government said last year it would not abide by the Liberal-sponsored bill, since private member's bills cannot force the government to spend money.

National Post
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Do you think this guy is just kidding? I don't...I think he really wants people jailed that does not believe the cult he believes in. These people are like old communist party...If you don't believe, your oft to the old gulag, enemy of the state and so on.

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Originally Posted by wkllaw
Guys, It no longer matters whether or not Global warming is real or not, what is real is the consensus already reached by the majority of the population on this issue that it is real. We could all say whether it is real or not, but the majority do believe and thus we'll be acting on it.

I'm not a expert and I never had the time to study this issue in depth so I can't make any solid judgements on this issue, but I can see what most people are thinking and what the popular mood is.

Wkllaw, Are you saying that if you can get someone to believe a lie through media then we should all just go along because there is some sort of consensus? That kind of thinking is Stalinesque and fit for 'Pravda' and as we know from Russian history it was deadly for the non-believer. How can you make such an insane statement?

Ivan

**Parihaka** · 02-08-2008, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brokensickle

Do you think this guy is just kidding? I don't...I think he really wants people jailed that does not believe the cult he believes in. These people are like old communist party...If you don't believe, your oft to the old gulag, enemy of the state and so on.

Oh dear Dr Suzuki is far more than that, he wants the human race eradicated. Be aware: this is the level of the people we're dealing with.

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David Suzuki's gloomy world of nothingness

National Post, April 8, 1999 Reprinted with permission from the author

David Suzuki's gloomy world of nothingness

by Terence Corcoran

Lock up your brains and keep the children out of reach of any radio: Here comes David Suzuki with another tax-supported CBC propaganda series in which we learn for the umpteenth time that the world would be a better place if there were no ugly human beings around. "If all humanity disappeared...the rest of life would benefit enormously," says one of Mr. Suzuki's expert guests on From Naked Ape to Superspecies, an eight-part radio series that begins this coming Sunday on CBC Radio One.

The expert is American sociobiologist Edward O. Wilson, a man who has spent his life studying ants and who has come to believe that a world without humans would be a blessing compared with a world deprived of his laboratory specimens. "If the ants were all to disappear, the results would be close to catastrophic," says Mr. Wilson, whereas if humans disappeared "the forests would grow back, the whole earth would green up, the ocean would teem, and so on."

That humans are a curse on earth is a theme Mr. Suzuki has been articulating for more than two decades as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.'s resident scientist and ecological gloomster. A little later in the first part of Superspecies another expert arrives to declare that "earthworms are king. This is where the action is."

Earthworms. Ants. Trees. Elephants. In the Suzuki world view, any species is better than the human species, and any talking head who will confirm that world view is guaranteed five minutes of air time in the great, rambling, irrational narratives that make up a typical Suzukian documentary.

In his 1989 radio series, It's a Matter of Survival, the great metaphor for human activity on earth was cancer. Then the expert was Jay Forrester, an economist who believed that current economic thinking had turned human beings into a malignant force. "Biological cancer grows until it kills the host on which it is living and thereby kills itself," said Mr. Forrester. "And I think mankind, in the world environment, is quite capable of following that same scenario."

Another star of the 1989 series was population control zealot Paul Ehrlich, a notorious forecaster of disasters that never occur and famines that never take place. Like Mr. Suzuki, Mr. Ehrlich hates growth, people, and population. "Perpetual growth is the creed of the cancer cell," said Mr. Ehrlich, picking up nicely on the dominant metaphor.

One of the hallmarks of any Suzuki effort is that it ignores or ridicules all opposing views. In the first series, Mr. Suzuki allowed Paul Ehrlich to maliciously put down one of his chief intellectual rivals, the late Julian Simon. While Mr. Ehrlich and Mr. Suzuki are dark pessimists about human existence, to the point of ugly caricature, Mr. Simon was an optimist who glorified human potential and achievement. In his book, The Ultimate Resource, Mr. Simon debunked the entire Suzuki-Ehrlich world view and demonstrated that rather than being a cancer, human beings were the ultimate resource, and that population growth and economic development had produced and will continue to produce dramatic improvements in human existence.

Rather than answer Mr. Simon, they smeared him. Mr. Ehrlich said it is "nonsense" to claim that the ultimate resource is people, and economists who make that case are fools. "Actually," he said, without actually naming Mr. Simon, "all they really prove is that the one thing we'll never run out of is imbeciles." Such is the intellectual depth and integrity of a Suzuki vehicle.

While the 1989 series smeared economics as a profession populated by idiots who failed to live in the real world, the new series swings over to debase science and scientists. In From Naked Ape to Superspecies, human beings are a cancerous superspecies created by Newtonian science * called "reductionism" by Mr. Suzuki * that has failed to grasp the great mystical concept of the real world.

Forget Newton and Descartes and the science that has created the modern world of long life, abundance, growth and prosperity, says Mr. Suzuki. It's an ugly and destructive prosperity. In place of the old science, he says there's a new scientific era dawning.

At this point in the first hour of Superspecies, soft flute music wells in the background. The new science is linked to Buddhism and Hinduism and the "notion of emptiness," says Mr. Suzuki. It is based in quantum physics, where, according to another expert, it is now "absolute scientific fact that the basis of reality is emptiness."

The expert, described as a mathematician and cosmologist, says the new science has discovered a very mysterious reality. "It's a reality that doesn't consist of things. It's actually a reality that consists of power to give birth to everything," where the universe emerges out of a vacuum, out of nothing.

For this insight, and the view of humans as a malignant cancer, we can thank the government of Canada and the CBC.

JAD_333 · 02-08-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Of course it still matters.

-dale

Damn right it does and it needs to be at the top of the flagpole for as long as it takes to wake up the lemmings before they run over the cliff.

JAD_333 · 02-08-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Do we really need a new thread for this one?

Do we need restyled autos every year? No, but it gets people and car mags' to pay attention.

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Anyway, I skimmed the article and it's not saying anything much different than what I've been saying for ten years:

Regrettably, the madness depends on the opinion of more than one person.

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There's no proof that increased CO2 is bad, there's no proof that it's a driver and not a follower, and there's no proof that humans did, can, or could do anything to influence it in any meaningful way.

The converse is also true. Sorry, I agree with you, but I am keeping an open mind. If you've every skydived, you know you don't entirely trust someone else to pack your chute.

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There is, however, solid proof that the people telling us that it's bad, a driver, and within our responsibility and capability are using bad data (Mann, Hansen), cooked conclusions (IPCC), and deliberate scare tactics (Al Gore) to sway opinion, control our lives, and make money.

This is one of my favorite rebuttals (because I can understand it.0

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/res...ockeystick.pdf

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That's why I think that anyone who falls for it is a bit of a ninny, at best a useful idiot, and at worst a social engineer of the worst sort.

The ninnies among the great unwashed don't have a clue what's going on, but they do "know" one thing and it's downright scary. When you ask them about man-made global warming, they'll say something like, "don't know much about, but we got to do something before it F's up the world." Gore and the media have effectively planted that one simple idea. What's the simple counterpoint?

dalem · 02-08-2008, 13:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

The converse is also true. Sorry, I agree with you, but I am keeping an open mind. If you've every skydived, you know you don't entirely trust someone else to pack your chute.

Sure. I encourage more climatalogical study, but my point is taht we don't even know how it works yet, so it's impossible to claim it's broken.

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The ninnies among the great unwashed don't have a clue what's going on, but they do "know" one thing and it's downright scary. When you ask them about man-made global warming, they'll say something like, "don't know much about, but we got to do something before it F's up the world." Gore and the media have effectively planted that one simple idea. What's the simple counterpoint?

I tend to get neck-snaps in my direction and knowing smiles of superiority when someone asks my opinion. Then I simply ask them to prove what they believe. And they can't.

I think that helps a little, with the casual followers. maybe I've even changed a few minds here and there.

-dale

JAD_333 · 02-08-2008, 13:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Sure. I encourage more climatalogical study, but my point is taht we don't even know how it works yet, so it's impossible to claim it's broken.

Agreed.

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I tend to get neck-snaps in my direction and knowing smiles of superiority when someone asks my opinion. Then I simply ask them to prove what they believe. And they can't.

I think that helps a little, with the casual followers. maybe I've even changed a few minds here and there.

Me too, but I was referring to the greater public. You and I have inquiring minds, but relatively few do. Ever see Jay Leno's bits where he asks people on the street where some country is and they've never heard of it..etc. I was speaking of the one-liner or some such thing that would upset the popular belief that global warming is something we can control.

brokensickle · 02-08-2008, 14:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Oh dear Dr Suzuki is far more than that, he wants the human race eradicated. Be aware: this is the level of the people we're dealing with.

Pari,

The guy is certifiable. If those people believe that the human race should be eradicated and that humans are the scourge, are they some other higher life form than us or should they all do us a favor and jump off the edge of their flat earth?

Ivan

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wkllaw Contributor Join Date: 03-07-07 Location: New York City or Hainan, China Posts: 579 Country:	Guys, It no longer matters whether or not Global warming is real or not, what is real is the consensus already reached by the majority of the population on this issue that it is real. We could all say whether it is real or not, but the majority do believe and thus we'll be acting on it. I'm not a expert and I never had the time to study this issue in depth so I can't make any solid judgements on this issue, but I can see what most people are thinking and what the popular mood is. __________________ Those who can't change become extinct.

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dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,320 Country:	Do we really need a new thread for this one? Anyway, I skimmed the article and it's not saying anything much different than what I've been saying for ten years: There's no proof that increased CO2 is bad, there's no proof that it's a driver and not a follower, and there's no proof that humans did, can, or could do anything to influence it in any meaningful way. There is, however, solid proof that the people telling us that it's bad, a driver, and within our responsibility and capability are using bad data (Mann, Hansen), cooked conclusions (IPCC), and deliberate scare tactics (Al Gore) to sway opinion, control our lives, and make money. That's why I think that anyone who falls for it is a bit of a ninny, at best a useful idiot, and at worst a social engineer of the worst sort. That's as clear and concise a summary as I've ever come up with. -dale

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