Carnage_59

The USA refused to sign to the Kyoto agreement for two reasons:

1. It was worthless. All Third World countries were exempt from following Kyoto protocols. Even if the US had signed up, Third World countries could have continued carbon emissions.

2. It would have economically crippled the US.

So if you want to follow mainstream propaganda, go ahead.

omon

Kyoto agreement, just as usefull, as un

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dalem

Based on the recommendations from the other thread I got one. So far I am unimpressed, especially based on the price tag. And given my general loathing of all things "green", I'm inclined to stick with incandescents anyway.

-dale

Ironduke

What brand are you using dale?

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Woodsy the Lar

I think you should read a bit more,Crippling the U.S. Economy,don´t make me laugh.

The cost of Oil alone, since Kyoto, has more than tripled.


Have you aöso failed to notice that California already has reached lower limits than what was asked for at Bali.

Firms in the US are supporting the Bali Conference and also pettioning the US goverment to make laws about Carbon Levels so that new factories do not have to re-build in the future.

cxxguy

the 'No' option. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I selected it. We must be spamming.

Capt Bluesman

We put cfls in our new house, and I'm quite happy with them. They light right away, and if there is any "warm-up" period, it's so subtle that I can't see it. I also don't see any difference in the light produced vs. an incandescent. If there is, again, it's so minimal that I can't see it.

As for the mercury issue, hell, I can remember my brother and I breaking mercury thermometers as kids and pushing the little beads around the kitchen table. Didn't hurt us none. /twitch/

JAD_333

I've been using a mix of CFLs and incandescent for years. CFLs are particularly useful in locations where changing bulbs is a hassle, like porch ceiling lights.

CFLs have improved tremendously and come down in price over the years. You can get a 4-pack at Home Depot for under $10, but you get what you pay for--occasional duds and slow warm up time. Better quality bulbs cost around $7 and up each. If the "slow" warm-up is a problem, you can 100W CFLs that are instant on.

The more CFLs you use the more you'll notice the drop in your electric bill. But to get the benefit of the cost savings, it's imperative that you buy good quality bulbs. The cost of incandescent bulbs is very low by comparison, and if you shop the big box stores like Home Depot you can get a 6-pk for around $2. Altogether that's 4200 lumen hours worth of bulbs for an average of about 35 cents each.

Some people mentioned using LED lightbulbs. They use a lot less power than CFLs. But a new lighting method is coming down the pike that uses even less than LEDs. That's OLED (organic light emitting diodes). OLED is also the future of TVs. Sanyo, Sony and others are struggling to get them to market. Unlike, the current crop of LED TVs and computer screens, no backlight is necessary. That drops power usage dramatically which laptop users will appreciate since they'll get longer battery operating times.

One thing is certain: To get the benefit of power saving from all these new innovations will require an initial investment. So, your expectations for a net saving have to be in terms of a couple of years. Be innovative. When people ask what you want for your birthday or Christmas, tell them a Phillips, GE or Osram 100W CFL bulb.

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Dwarven Pirate

LINKS PLEASE!

To info or retailer site, whatever. I'm interested in this. My imagination is running rampant.

JAD_333

Hi mrs B. Speaking of mercury beads, I used to use mercury to capture gold dust when panning for gold on the American River up in Mother Lode country(vacation pasttime), but I remember the salesman saying not to stick my fingers in my mouth after using it. I can't remember if I did or not. Some would say I did.

As for CFLs, I agree with you. The small time it takes to get to full brightness is hardly noticeable.

Dwarven Pirate

You can stop mentioning Ron Paul. Yes, you can do it! The first step is admitting you have a problem! lol jk

Debbie

The CFL acts pretty good in cold temperatures and I've had one that goes on at dusk for the flag pole. Two years now and still going strong.

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omon

yes, that is a posibuility, as of now, lifespan of oled, isn,t as long as led. but i,m sure it will be worked out, also oled have advantage in manufacturing, it can be flexible, imagine a strip of oled, rolled out where normaly crown molding goes, no more light fixtures, just light itself, cool.

JAD_333

Great heating system, but you need land. And it's more expensive to install than conventional systems, but well worth it. If you live in a townhouse, you're out of luck.

Another good system is sub-floor heating coils, more from the standpoint of comfort, as you'll never have a cold floor again and the heat is well distributed.

The new electric heat pump systems are nearly double the efficiency of what they were 10-15 years ago. We just installed a 14 SEER set up in a new house my company just completed---just in time for the lousy housing market ...anyone looking for a nice house in the Shenandoah valley.

Ironduke

Another way to save a bit of electricity is to swap out your old CRT (cathode ray tube) monitor for a flat-panel LCD. LCD monitors use about one-third to one-half the electricity of a CRT monitor. They've come down a lot in price as well.

NewEgg.com (site I use when I buy computer equipment) has a great stock of LCD monitors. For example you can get 22" widescreen flat panel for $230, a 20" widescreen for $190, or a 19" widescreen for $160, all highly reviewed quality LCDs.

LCDs save a lot of room as well, as panels are usually less than two inches wide.

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