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Old 09-21-2007, 04:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Britain has plutonium for 17,000 Nagasaki bombs

Britain has plutonium for 17,000 Nagasaki bombs

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LONDON - Britain has amassed a stockpile of more than 100 metric tons of plutonium -- enough for 17,000 bombs of the size that flattened Japan's Nagasaki in 1945, a report from the country's top science institution said on Friday.

The toxic stockpile, which has doubled in the last decade, comes mainly from reprocessing of spent uranium fuel from the country's nuclear power plants, so to stop it growing the practice must end, the Royal Society said.

"There should be no more separation of plutonium once current contracts have been fulfilled," said the report "Strategy options for the UK's separated plutonium."

Plutonium, one of the most radiotoxic materials known, is produced when spent uranium fuel from power stations is reprocessed to retrieve reusable uranium.

It can be processed into mixed oxide (MOX) fuel but it can also be used in nuclear weapons and so poses a security threat.

"Just over six kilograms of plutonium was used in the bomb that devastated Nagasaki," said Geoffrey Boulton, the report's lead author. "We must take measures to ensure that this very dangerous material does not fall into the wrong hands."

Paradoxically, the Royal Society said the safest option was to leave spent fuel as it was when it came out of the reactor because it was so radioactive that it was far harder to handle.

The second best was to produce and burn MOX pellets and then leave them unreprocessed.

"Spent fuel is more radioactive and therefore harder to handle than plutonium -- and more difficult to use in nuclear weapons because it would need to be reprocessed first," the report said.

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The report comes as the government is in the middle of a public consultation process on whether new nuclear power stations should be built to replace the ageing existing stations which provide 20 percent of the country's electricity.

All but one of the stations will be closed within 15 years due to old age.

The government has provisionally said new stations are needed on the grounds of energy security and in the fight against climate change because nuclear power emits little of the carbon dioxide that is blamed for global warming.

Environmental campaigners have complained that the consultation is a sham with questions and information presentations heavily loaded in favor of new nuclear stations, and threatened new court action against the process.

Some academics too have expressed disquiet over the "form and function" of the process.

The government was forced to embark on a new consultation process by a court ruling in February that described the original public consultation as seriously flawed.

Many questions remain over the role and safety of nuclear power, although public opinion has moved grudgingly in favor particularly when cast in the light of climate change.

Not least of these is disposal of nuclear waste.

Last year CoRWM, the Committee on Radioactive Waste Management, recommended burying the waste unrecoverably.

But the government now has to find a site that meets the combined criteria of being accessible for disposal, very difficult for illicit retrieval, geologically stable and acceptable to the local community.
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Does anybody know if plutonium can be used to generate electricity? Dale?
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Many questions remain over the role and safety of nuclear power, although public opinion has moved grudgingly in favor particularly when cast in the light of climate change. Not least of these is disposal of nuclear waste. Last year CoRWM, the Committee on Radioactive Waste Management, recommended burying the waste unrecoverably. But the government now has to find a site that meets the combined criteria of being accessible for disposal, very difficult for illicit retrieval, geologically stable and acceptable to the local community.
Oh my! It is a quandary what to do with all that waste. Britain is not alone. Here in the USA we've been busy spending our dollars researching Yucca Mountain in Las Vegas, NV as an underground waste storage facility. We even have a cute little cartoon illustration. Image:Yucca Mountain Johnny.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Currently $9 billion invested so far on research. Incidentally, I see no Yucca trees growing on the mountain in any photos. $9 billion would have been a lot of money for oil, gas and coal research and exploration, eh?

I wonder what North Korea and Iran do with their spent plutonium?

This is an old link but still most likely truthful in that "It would take more than twice all the water in all the lakes and rivers of the world to dissolve the spent nuclear fuel on hand by the year 2000 to the maximum permissible levels of radioactive pollution. Therefore, the material must be safely stored in a near-perfect containment system. There is as yet no proved safe method for permanently disposing of high level radioactive waste."
-Dr. Gordon Edwards, Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility.

Nuclear power can't replace cheap oil.

I am Glad the US and Britain are allies with so much plutonium in our midst. Hey, maybe in 10 or 20 years we could rent you some space in Vegas for your storage. Have a martini, gamble and see the shows while you are there to drop it off.
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I wonder what North Korea and Iran do with their spent plutonium?

I dont think you really want to know the answer to that question.
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The article mentions MOX fuel, which I assume is suitable for fission plants. I don't know if it's suitable for the curent type of nuke plants though.

I think one of the problems is that plutonium, aside from being nuke-a-licious, is also one of the most poisonous physical materials on the planet. Can't fool with it very much and expect to live.

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The article mentions MOX fuel, which I assume is suitable for fission plants. I don't know if it's suitable for the curent type of nuke plants though.

I think one of the problems is that plutonium, aside from being nuke-a-licious, is also one of the most poisonous physical materials on the planet. Can't fool with it very much and expect to live.

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It also ranks as the heaviest metal (natural occuring) on the perioic table I believe. Given its weight and what it is used for it is not hard to imagine why it is so powerful in size to explosion or implosion comparrison ratio.
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Can't fool with it very much
The human body or any other living creature on planet earth has a body composition somewhat similiar to the constituents of elements found on planet earth.

Thus you find iron, sodium, potassium etc in various percentages in the human body. These elements are abundandtly present on planet earth and the human body has a level of tolerence to it. In fact a certain intake of these elements are mandatory for survival.

Plutonium on the other hand is extremely rare in nature. Correpondingly the human body has zero tolerance for it. Even 1 gm of plutonium is deadly to a human being.
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The human body or any other living creature on planet earth has a body composition somewhat similiar to the constituents of elements found on planet earth.

Thus you find iron, sodium, potassium etc in various percentages in the human body. These elements are abundandtly present on planet earth and the human body has a level of tolerence to it. In fact a certain intake of these elements are mandatory for survival.

Plutonium on the other hand is extremely rare in nature. Correpondingly the human body has zero tolerance for it. Even 1 gm of plutonium is deadly to a human being.
I believe it's something like the equivalent of half a grain of table salt getting into your body is enough to kill you quickly.

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It also ranks as the heaviest metal (natural occuring) on the perioic table I believe. Given its weight and what it is used for it is not hard to imagine why it is so powerful in size to explosion or implosion comparrison ratio.
Do you mean atomic weight or density? Osmium is the densest metal. Uranium has the largest atomic weight of a naturally occurring element. Plutonium is heavier, but it is not found in nature, nor is it the heaviest of the man-made elements.

edit: I lied. Plutonium is found in extraordinarily small amounts in nature.
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The human body or any other living creature on planet earth has a body composition somewhat similiar to the constituents of elements found on planet earth.

Thus you find iron, sodium, potassium etc in various percentages in the human body. These elements are abundandtly present on planet earth and the human body has a level of tolerence to it. In fact a certain intake of these elements are mandatory for survival.

Plutonium on the other hand is extremely rare in nature. Correpondingly the human body has zero tolerance for it. Even 1 gm of plutonium is deadly to a human being.
The elemental composition of the human body is quite different from that of the earth. Carbon is relatively rare on earth, but dominant in living organisms. Phosphorus is even rarer, but is one of the 5 main organic elements. Two of the most common elements, iron and silicon, are comparatively uncommon in living organisms. As for plutonium, it's more than rare in nature: it's virtually non-existent. But its toxicity has to do with its radioactivity, not its rarity. Xenon, for example, is extremely rare, but non-toxic.
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The elemental composition of the human body is quite different from that of the earth.
true..Didnt say they were the same percentage but composed of elements found in nature(planet earth) in decent amounts...if it was exactly the same it wouldn't be higher life organisms as we know it.


if probably earth contained a large amount of plutonium present abundantly and life could exist in such condition whatever species evolved would have developed some kind of immunity towards it(atleast to higher dosage of radiation levels).

There was a documentary which showed that there were lot of animals and plant life living in the chernobyl area. The scientists measured the radiation levels in the cabbage plants there and decided that it was very high and would be fatal to many or atleast cause serious illness..but they came across an old lady who was staying within the vicinity for many years since and was munching the cabbage leaves without any problems!! Those cabbages with high radiation levels were their main food. If those cabbages were sold in the supermarket in US you would have a lot of sick americans(even many young ones)..but that old lady had developed immunity to certain levels of radiation over the years without any adverse effect.
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Monday August 20, 2007

A three-year veil of secrecy in the name of national security was used to keep the public in the dark about the handling of highly enriched uranium at a nuclear fuel processing plant - including a leak that could have caused a deadly, uncontrolled nuclear reaction.

The leak turned out to be one of nine violations or test failures since 2005 at privately owned Nuclear Fuel Services Inc., a longtime supplier of fuel to the U.S. Navy's nuclear fleet.

The public was never told about the problems when they happened. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission revealed them for the first time last month when it released an order demanding improvements at the company, but no fine.

In 2004, the government became so concerned about releasing nuclear secrets that the commission removed more than 1,740 documents from its public archive - even some that apparently involved basic safety violations at the company, which operates a 65-acre gated complex in tiny Erwin, about 120 miles north of Knoxville.

Congressmen and environmental groups have criticized the policy, and now the commission staff is drafting recommendations that may ease its restrictions.

But environmental activists are still suspicious of the belated revelations and may challenge the commission's decision not to fine Nuclear Fuel Services for the safety violations.

``That party is not over - the full story of what is going on up there,'' said Ann Harris, a member of the Sierra Club's national nuclear task force.

Nuclear Fuel Services has been supplying fuel to the Navy since the 1960s. More recently, it has also been converting the government's stockpile of weapons-grade uranium into commercial reactor fuel.

While reviewing the commission's public Web page in 2004, the Department of Energy's Office of Naval Reactors found what it considered protected information about Nuclear Fuel Service's work for the Navy.

The commission responded by sealing every document related to Nuclear Fuel Services and BWX Technologies in Lynchburg, Va., the only two companies licensed by the agency to manufacture, possess and store highly enriched uranium.

BWX Technologies has not experienced any problems as serious as the uranium spill at Nuclear Fuel Services, commission spokesman David McIntyre said. But its operations were included in the order to seal documents because it produces nuclear fuel for the Navy, too.

Under the policy, all the documents were stamped ``Official Use Only,'' including papers about the policy itself and more than 1,740 documents from the commission's public archive.

The Associated Press first reported the policy in May after the commission briefly mentioned in its annual report to Congress a March 6, 2006, uranium leak at Nuclear Fuel Services. The leak was one of three ``abnormal occurrences'' of license holders cited during the year.

Agency commissioners, apparently struck by the significance of the event, took a special vote to skirt the ``Official Use Only'' rule so that Nuclear Fuel Services would be identified in the report as the site of the uranium leak.

Some 35 liters, or just over 9 gallons, of highly enriched uranium solution leaked from a transfer line into a protected glovebox and spilled onto the floor. The leak was discovered when a supervisor saw a yellow liquid ``running into a hallway'' from under a door, according to one document.

The commission said there were two areas, the glovebox and an old elevator shaft, where the solution potentially could have collected in such a way to cause an uncontrolled nuclear reaction.

``It is likely that at least one worker would have received an exposure high enough to cause acute health effects or death,'' the agency wrote.

``We don't want any security information out there that's going to help a terrorist,'' agency Commissioner Edward McGaffigan Jr. said in a newly released transcript from a closed commission meeting May 30. But ``that's entirely separate'' from dealing with an event that could have killed a worker at the plant.

``The pendulum maybe swung too far,'' agreed Luis Reyes, the commission's executive director for operations. ``We want to make sure we don't go the other way, but we need to come back to some reasonable middle point.''

Agency spokesman David McIntyre said it may be difficult to separate Nuclear Fuel Service's secret work for the Navy from its public work converting bomb-grade uranium to commercial reactor fuel. The leak happened on the commercial reactor side.

In a stinging letter to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission chairman in July, two Democratic congressman from Michigan also blasted the policy.

``We agree that NRC should withhold from public view any sensitive security information of this nature. However, NRC went far beyond this narrow objective,'' read the letter from John Dingell, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Bart Stupak, chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.

McIntyre defended the commission's decision not to fine Nuclear Fuel Services, even though the agency rated the uranium leak last year as its second most-serious violation.

Instead, the agency ordered Nuclear Fuel Services to conduct a full review of its ``safety culture'' and make changes using outside experts.

``If we can get long-term permanent changes and improvements in their process it is better than slapping them with a fine every time something goes wrong,'' McIntyre said.

Nuclear Fuel Services Executive Vice President Timothy Lindstrom, a Navy veteran who joined the company in September, said the company had already made ``significant progress.''

``I think it is important that the public recognize that we do have a very robust safety program at NFS. We live in this community and take our stewardship very seriously,'' he said.

``I think if we were to have an event like this again, we would push to make it public,'' he added. ``Clearly it would have been better to have this discussion 18 months ago than it is to have it now.''

Meanwhile, NFS told its 700 employees this past week it will be ``exploring the possibility of a sale'' over the next 12 months - not because of the commission's disclosure, but because of the company's increasing value to a booming nuclear power industry.

``We are in a position of strength,'' company spokesman Tony Treadway said.
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CANDU heavy water reactors use natural Uranium that is not enriched. They can also use MOX (mixed oxide fuel) which is a mixture of natural uranium and plutonium from spent uranium, and from dismantled Nuclear weapons. Also depleted uranium from light water reactors can be recycled in CANDU reactors.

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