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Old 05-06-2007, 23:31 PM   #331 (permalink)
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The problem with this is they still believe CO2 to be the main cause of rising temperature.

Methane is 27 times more effective at trapping heat than CO2. It is a trace element in our atmosphere, even more so than CO2. But it accounts for 25% of the greenhouse effect caused by CO2. I forgot where I read this. I just remember I read it within the last 2 weeks.

Water vapor traps 20 times more heat than CO2 due to it's abundance in our atmosphere.

The solution these people offer is always the same: reduce CO2 emission.

Does it work?

We don't know.

For all we know, the sun drives the earth's climate and there's nothing we can do about it.
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Old 05-07-2007, 21:20 PM   #332 (permalink)
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I assume that human industrialization is responsible for global warming on Mars, too.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:51 AM   #333 (permalink)
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everytime we fart we expell methane and Carbon Dioxide, perhaps this is the cause of global warming?
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Old 05-08-2007, 15:57 PM   #334 (permalink)
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everytime we fart we expell methane and Carbon Dioxide, perhaps this is the cause of global warming?
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Old 05-09-2007, 02:30 AM   #335 (permalink)
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The problem with this is they still believe CO2 to be the main cause of rising temperature.

Methane is 27 times more effective at trapping heat than CO2. It is a trace element in our atmosphere, even more so than CO2. But it accounts for 25% of the greenhouse effect caused by CO2. I forgot where I read this. I just remember I read it within the last 2 weeks.

Water vapor traps 20 times more heat than CO2 due to it's abundance in our atmosphere.

The solution these people offer is always the same: reduce CO2 emission.

Does it work?

We don't know.

For all we know, the sun drives the earth's climate and there's nothing we can do about it.

I agree that water vapor got the most percentage in the atmosphere but since evaporation is a natural process and difinitely we could not stop it, we tend to minimize on other components like CO2, methane, Nitrogen, etc.. which is now increasing due to rapid industrialization..
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I agree that water vapor got the most percentage in the atmosphere but since evaporation is a natural process and difinitely we could not stop it, we tend to minimize on other components like CO2, methane, Nitrogen, etc.. which is now increasing due to rapid industrialization..
How do you stop methane? You have to kill off most of the large herbavores on the planet.

CO2 is a natural byproduct of breathing. Stop all the industrial process and you still have billions of humans and other animals breathing.
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I'm not saying that we will stop those that occur\created naturally..but the point is to minimize industrial emissions..

compare the smoke coming from a coal-fired power plant or the emissions from vehicles in a city than the CO2 coming from the people live there..
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Old 05-09-2007, 12:54 PM   #338 (permalink)
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Reducing pollution is a fine idea and goal, simply because cleaner air (and water) is a good thing in and of itself. And as it happens our air and water are pretty darned clean these days.

But couching it in terms of alarmism is just stupid, because alarmism scenarios themselves are all stupid, and only believed by intellectually lazy and emotionally charged people.

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Canada for one will prosper from Climate Change. Currently for the majority of the year our fruits and vegetables come from warmer American states. As out climate is not warm enough to grow most fruits and vegetables all year round. Not to mention, that the majority of livestock feed in this country comes from America, again, as it cannot be grown year round.

If Canada was able to grow those fruits and vegetables year round, then we would not need to import it from America. Also, with the booming biofuel industry, Canada could produce more crops year round and be able to sell more biofuels.
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Canada for one will prosper from Climate Change. Currently for the majority of the year our fruits and vegetables come from warmer American states. As out climate is not warm enough to grow most fruits and vegetables all year round. Not to mention, that the majority of livestock feed in this country comes from America, again, as it cannot be grown year round.

If Canada was able to grow those fruits and vegetables year round, then we would not need to import it from America. Also, with the booming biofuel industry, Canada could produce more crops year round and be able to sell more biofuels.
If Canada will be heated there would be a possibility of melting of ice then it could lead to flooding..
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I would agree that this issue should be address in a spontaneous manner...
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Old 05-10-2007, 13:52 PM   #342 (permalink)
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Canada for one will prosper from Climate Change.
I’ve read this claim a few times, but it is not all rosy for Canada.

If warming continues, yes, some areas of Canada will have an extended crop season for awhile, but only until that climate suffers from warming as well.

Less rainfall at different times could mean farmers would need more irrigation in southwestern Ontario, particularly on drought-prone soils and for shallow-rooted crops such as potatoes. Milder winters with less consistent snow cover are likely to lead to an increase in injury damage to over-wintering crops in some areas. (Environment Canada)

Likely increases in the frequency and severity of forest fires.

As the climate gets warmer and drier, demand for water used for irrigation of farms and watering household lawns and gardens will increase. This, combined with greater levels of evaporation, will reduce the amount of water in streams and lower the water table, leaving less and warmer water for us to use. Warmer water may be great for swimming, but will likely lead to problems with water quality - microbes and algal blooms like warmer water too. (Environment Canada)

With longer crop season comes longer insect season. Cattle and people more exposed to parasites. Toronto , I read, is having increased problems with rats due to warmer winters no longer controlling populations of those rodents.

More heat waves - deadly for people with breathing problems (and these are increasing due to air polution - more smog warnings in large cities every year).

Flooding along coastal areas with low elevation.

Increased violent storm activity, especially coastal - if climatologists are right that climate change increases storm intensity.

Big one here - “climate refugees” or what some now label “environment refugees.” The RCMP is taking this seriously enough to have done a report in 2003, I believe, concerning the impact of climate change on Canada and what measures RCMP need to take in planning for this. They include climate refugees and civil unrest due to increase in massive, natural disasters and civil unrest due to refugees.

Global problems that will affect us because we do not live in a bubble - territorial wars over sustainable land, fewer resources world wide. And for those who feel empathy for people not of their own nation, - speaks for itself.

Lots more, but if you think of how Canada and Canadians are affected by what goes on in other parts of the world, if you believe that climate change is happening (man-made or not), then it is not reasonable to think we will not be affected negatively. I’m enjoying not having to plow my drive in the winter. I like the longer growing season, but I also see where it can be going and what other impact the changes can have. Because I have kids, I need to look at what reasonably could happen and help them plan for it.
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If Canada will be heated there would be a possibility of melting of ice then it could lead to flooding..
No. The ice is resting on water which is already occupying the volume in water it displaces.
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Man-made or not, if global warming persists, I think the prospects of more rain are significantly increased. Warmer weather = higher levels of humidity = more clouds = more rain. Algore sees more hurricanes, but I see more rain. Which may be good for the areas of the planet that have water shortages.
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No. The ice is resting on water which is already occupying the volume in water it displaces.
This is true, that ice already in water displaces roughly the same amount now as if it melted, but land ice is also melting and running into the oceans. That will raise sea levels. Also, scientists are concerned about the effect of fresh water from even floating ice suddenly entering oceans and how that could affect currents.
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