brokensickle

Hey Sniper,

I'm still amazed at the great amount info on the net on science and tech. And you seem to find it. Although I don't believe that the engines described in the articles you linked were considered P.M. type
One thing that needs to be understood about the machines your Dad saw in the USN that seemed to be perpetual motion, is that there were copious amounts of energy employed to create the magnets initially used in the machines to create a finite effect of perpetual motion. The engines described in the article would probably take great amounts of energy to travel those great distances but with a exponentially greater amount of efficiency because of its employing other dimensional travel. I am encouraged by these types of articles as it relates to the ability to "Escape the surley bonds of this solar system". Your enthusiasm is Infectious.

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Sombra

The moment we see or observe perpetual motion in the finite or infinite the laws of thermodynamics would be broken and therefore one of our most basic laws of physics.

Most indicators point at an universe which will expand forever, getting "colder" and not contract again leading somewhere in the far future to a new big bang.

snc128

actually i voted no but when u achieve to eliminate external effects, a perpetual motion can be possible.an isolated system can help for the aim.but the question is how can u form an isolated system .

omon

whould you call tesla's black box perpetual motion machine?

omon

according to this patent, it's reality and it has been proven,recorded and patented.
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm
the problem is you'll never see any company manufacturing them, big oil corparation will make sure of that.

Sombra

Proven? The prototypes have been mysteriously stolen....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1659094/posts

If somebody gave a patent for this kind of machine he should look for a new job.

omon

does it sound strange that every discovery of that kind is mysteriously stolen and inventor is nowhere to be found,he wasnt the only one (though he didn't vanish but others did), if the inventions were hoax would anybody care enough to steel the machines and snach inventors,
After a year of hearing nothing but silence from Johnson, Greyhound agents tried to contact him-only to be notified that he had passed away unexpectedly. This is a particularly troubling part of the story, since he had been in his early fifties and in robust health. Later, Greyhound learned that shortly before he died, Johnson had inexplicably moved our of his laboratory in the middle of the night and taken all of his motors and technology to California.

Another bizarre fact then surfaced: The U.S. Department of Energy had placed a restraining order on Johnson's company, Magnatron, Inc., prohibiting it from producing the Magnatron engine
imo perpetual motion machines were invented many times it's not question if it's posible ; it is posible, but somobody powerfull will not let them exist.

snc128

nowadays ,patent applications being done by some local Turkish scientists for a machine called 'kuvvet makinası' ...just google it to see the news

brokensickle

That may be so, but like the scientist I enjoy avoiding making hasty decisions.

Sombra

@Omon: The inventor claims that his machine has been stolen. Tunring around the argument I would say a nice way to prevent anybody to to verify his claims

@Brokensickle Everyone his opinion Perhaps some day when we understand the rules of the universe betteand r we will be able to sidestep certain rules a bit.

omon

which one did that? if one claims his invention is stolen, i would think that he could make another one. he invented it.if he cant, then his a fake.

brokensickle

I would like to start a thread on time travel paradoxes to see a little of what WAB posters can think up.

Ivan

omon

Under certain circumstances, the second law of thermodynamics does not come "into play"
The second law of thermodynamics is exactly that . . . a special law regarding only thermodynamic processes. That doesn't make it any sure thing that perpetual motion machines are possible, but it doesn't prohibit them either, if they aren't designed around thermodynamic processes.
If one thinks it impossible, it will be, at least to that person.
If one is willing to examine what the goal is without prejudice, then it is possible, somehow.

Martin

I have invented a device which has an energy efficiency of 111%. This will allow unlimited, free energy for all!

Please make a cheque payable to....................... And the unit will be dispatched within 24 hours.

Ironduke

Martin speaks the truth.

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