Are Muslims the Jews of Today? - Page 3

Ray · 12-20-2005, 09:39 AM

Platinum,

What are you ranting about with all this MY people pizzazz?

Sitting in the safe environs of UK does put you in a position to be armchair terrorists or their leader or their benefactor (if you wish). The ground realities are totally different.

Dreamy eyed terrorist blew up the Underground in London. What have they achieved? More hate against the Moslems, especially in a country that was benign to all terrorist organisations so long it did not affect their security.

Now that Britain has been jiggered, Blair is going ballistics against the Moslem. Oh of course, he is not using the "M" word, but we all know who the new laws under consideration is going to be used against.

Is that the fate the Moslems want their brethrern in UK to be be saddled with?

Neo · 12-20-2005, 12:44 PM

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I think you should be looking towards your greedy european counterparts like the frech who gave Israel the bomb without anyone knowing and the dutch who sold secrets to Pakistan. During the height of the cold war Russia was given part of the formula from a briitsh woman living in the midlands. Even today the states of Russia are littered with missing war heads. This is the only nation stupid enought to blow up up thier own nuclear reactor, chernobyl was one f**k up after another, if anyone needs to be monitored for giving away nukes, it'd advise have a look that way.

Sssst..!

Gautam · 12-20-2005, 14:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Platinum,

Islamists like you have WMD.

Weapons of Mass Delusion!

That's a new one

Jay · 12-20-2005, 15:21 PM

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FYI, Libya and Iran are countries. Both of which where not given anything asides from information from 1 man, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, behind the back of the Pakistani nation.

In that same nation, Pakistan recognized Taliban ruled Afghanistan when the whole world (except 1 or 2 moslem nations) condemned it. On one hand you say AQ Khan as a national hero and OTOH you say he did it behind the back of Pakistan, its very weird. And its funny that 1 man AQ Khan sold off all the nuclear secrets to Libya/NK/Iran, its so damn 007 story.

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There has been no proof of any exchange with N.Korea, another country, not a terrorist organisation.

Really? Then your Hon President Mushyraff is b u ll s h i tting as usual. Read on,

Disgraced Pakistani scientist AQ Khan supplied North Korea with centrifuges and their designs, President Pervez Musharraf has confirmed.
Centrifuges enrich uranium which can be used for making nuclear bombs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4180286.stm

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During the height of the cold war Russia was given part of the formula from a briitsh woman living in the midlands.

Formula?? For what? To create drugs??

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Even today the states of Russia are littered with missing war heads.

Meh, and how many of them fell in to wrong hands? Officially, NONE, unlike Pakistan's AQKhan who has been proven "officially" that he sold designs to NK/Libya/Iran.

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This is the only nation stupid enought to blow up up thier own nuclear reactor, chernobyl was one f**k up after another, if anyone needs to be monitored for giving away nukes, it'd advise have a look that way.

Chernobyl was an accident, unless there is some madrassa in UK which teaches otherwise.

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According to Indians anyone who defends the vile and despicable occupation of MY people and MY land in Kashmir is an islamist or a terrorist.

According to Indians, any one who targets innocent women, men and children are terrorists. Infact anyone who crosses from Pakistan in to Kashmir can be safely considered as terrorists, as they mostly do the same.

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The rest of the world ususally refers to us as Kashmiri.

The world still calls them terrorists, just search for Kashmir terrorists in google.

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nobody cares that my people have been suffering for the last 58 years at the ahdn of the hindu thus i have no concern for others.

What hindu? Kashmir was ruled by Dogra kings and the last time I checked they were not Hindus. Sheikh Abdulla and his son were not exactly hindus either. So what are you whining about?

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I'll tell you how else Ray is right, i support terrorist activity in the state of India especailly against thier amred forces in Kashmir, to be hoenst i couldn't care how many die just so that enough die for them to leave my people alone.

We will kill as anyone enters Kashmir with this terrorist intentions, its never going to change. Moslem Pakistani terrorists WILL will be killed, if at all they get a chance to come in to Kashmir.

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because we can only see the true horror of it. No doubt it is evil.

Yeah, Ive seen the terror of muslim terrorists, it is truly horrible. Hack them all.

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Let me continue this elsewhere...

PDF?

giggs88 · 12-20-2005, 18:19 PM

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Originally Posted by platinum786

According to Indians anyone who defends the vile and despicable occupation of MY people and MY land in Kashmir is an islamist or a terrorist.

How is it YOUR land?
Soon enough, you'll be saying the UK is YOUR land.

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The rest of the world ususally refers to us as Kashmiri.

Don't speak for the rest of the world.

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last 58 years at the ahdn of the hindu thus i have no concern for others.

You know, I once found this great link about the excessive kindness of Islam throughout it's history. It includes the very kind treatment of Hindus by their Islamic invaders for close to a thousand years. I'll post it on this thread when I have the time to find it.

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I'll tell you how else Ray is right, i support terrorist activity in the state of India especailly against thier amred forces in Kashmir, to be hoenst i couldn't care how many die just so that enough die for them to leave my people alone.

You are a terrorist sympathizer.

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Let me continue this elsewhere...

kkthanxbai.

giggs88 · 12-20-2005, 19:35 PM

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Ray that is unfair, we do have those that want to nuke the world all over again....

Like that new Iranian President, Ahmadinejad?

Yep, you're right.

akash · 12-20-2005, 21:59 PM

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Originally Posted by platinum786

I'll tell you how else Ray is right, i support terrorist activity in the state of India especailly against thier amred forces in Kashmir, to be hoenst i couldn't care how many die just so that enough die for them to leave my people alone.

WTF are you talking about? the indians should be saying that, everyday these terrorists come in to "evil-Indian occupied Kashmir" from Azad(free) Kashmir and kill innocent women and children and you're telling us that we should leave these pigs alone? What the hell have you been smoking?

Ray · 12-21-2005, 00:29 AM

He is smoking Camel.

The real four legged Camel of Arabia.

The arrogance of some illiterate people that religion alone decides the future of a State i.e. Kashmir!

It shows the deep indoctrination of intolerance and being devoid of comprehending the modern socio cultural and religious environment of the world that it is of coexistence and not bigotry.

Interestingly, the same said intolerant religious finks enter Christian lands and demand that the Christians be secular and allow these intolerant finks liberty to ensure that they spread their religion as also create mayhem and bloodshed at will!

If because Kashmir Valley is predominantly Moslem and hence should be a Moslem country (they have ensured that there is an exodus of Hindus and Christians from the Kashmir Valley), then shouldn't the US, UK, France, Germany and rest of the "Christian" world also not demand that they be Christian Republics and be as intolerant as the Islamic countries wherein none else are allowed to practice their religion or allowed to build their places of worship?

I am aware that there are Moslems who do not share the bigotry displayed by some over zealous Moslems in proclaiming the "superiority" of their religion or that others are humbugs following a sinful religion or a false religion. Hence, this post does not apply to them.

Vaman · 12-21-2005, 01:11 AM

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This is the only nation stupid enought to blow up up thier own nuclear reactor, chernobyl was one f**k up after another

mehhh!
3-mile island anyone?
Too bad for history lessons from plat.

troung · 12-21-2005, 01:58 AM

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You are a terrorist sympathizer.

Actually he in his own way shows how complex the WoT actually is.

To some 9-11 was awful but suicide bombings in Tel Aviv are fine and justified. To some ASG hostage taking is wrong but the attacks on Coalition forces are fine and dandy. The Muj in Afghanistan can be the greatest thing since sliced bread but the Chechens could be nothing but bandits.

One mans terrorist is another mans "freedom" fighter... awfully complex war we are in...

**ZFBoxcar** · 12-21-2005, 02:21 AM

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Actually he in his own way shows how complex the WoT actually is.

To some 9-11 was awful but suicide bombings in Tel Aviv are fine and justified. To some ASG hostage taking is wrong but the attacks on Coalition forces are fine and dandy. The Muj in Afghanistan can be the greatest thing since sliced bread but the Chechens could be nothing but bandits.

One mans terrorist is another mans "freedom" fighter... awfully complex war we are in...

But that assumes all interpretations are equally valid. They aren't.

troung · 12-21-2005, 02:43 AM

Who sets the rules? Which set of rules are we using? Which set of eyes are we looking through? And how do the issues impact that set of eyes?

To some (in relation to the world population) the colonial wars of the post WW-2 period have the Europeans as some sort of good guys with the, often left leaning, anti colonial forces as evil. Hell people celebrate colonial conquests and the "glory" of those brutal empires, are they evil or are so many others wrong?

**ZFBoxcar** · 12-21-2005, 03:04 AM

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Who sets the rules? Which set of rules are we using? Which set of eyes are we looking through? And how do the issues impact that set of eyes?

Good questions. But it does not change the fact that two (or more) contradictory interpretations cannot both be right. That is logically impossible. It is possible that not everybody on the "wrong" side is evil, but that is as far as you can stretch it.

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To some (in relation to the world population) the colonial wars of the post WW-2 period have the Europeans as some sort of good guys with the, often left leaning, anti colonial forces as evil. Hell people celebrate colonial conquests and the "glory" of those brutal empires, are they evil or are so many others wrong?

Those who support(ed) European colonialism can be wrong without being evil (although probably plenty of them were evil). Similarly, the snobby European "intellectuals" cheering on the suicide bombers in Tel Aviv are wrong, but may not be evil (although, once again, they might be).

Also, your moral equalizing of different conflicts/events only works if you look at them superficially. Sure, if you say, "hmm...insurgents in Iraq use AK-47s and the Muj in Afghanistan used AK-47s...they must be morally equivalent" then it works. I don't mean to mock you there, but it does seem like you are giving a superficial analysis in order to equivocate. But the motives and morals of both sides matter. If the US was trying to do to Iraq what the Soviets were trying to do to Afghanistan, the insurgents would be well justified in attacking US troops, but they aren't. Similarly, since most of the casualties caused by the insurgency are Iraqi civillians (in mosques no less) it stands to reason that the cause of the insurgents is not freedom from oppressive occupation (as the US is not oppressive and the insurgents are more focused on killing their own people of a different sect of Islam than on ending the US presence).

raj · 12-21-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by troung

Actually he in his own way shows how complex the WoT actually is.

To some 9-11 was awful but suicide bombings in Tel Aviv are fine and justified. To some ASG hostage taking is wrong but the attacks on Coalition forces are fine and dandy. The Muj in Afghanistan can be the greatest thing since sliced bread but the Chechens could be nothing but bandits.

One mans terrorist is another mans "freedom" fighter... awfully complex war we are in...

can u please tell me whose terrorist was GANDHI.
one more stupid post supporting some useless blabber by some idiot
-raj

raj · 12-21-2005, 05:51 AM

this is waht i think about muslim countries, they hold back their 50% of human resources in bhurka locked at home doing nothing, and the remaining blast themselves for the sake of 72 virgins. BTW when was the last time a muslim who did his research from a muslim country got a nobel. I think women scientists all over the world produce more technical papers than 10 times the technical papers that come out of muslim countries.
The worst thing is that they are jealous of their neighbours prosperring, see the case with ISRAEL it made a desert into a heaven, even with all the oil money the whole of middle east cannot think of doing what ISRAEL did in 1000 years.
there is a saying in my language which goes some thing like this "termities are born and die, but the world never notices" so are the muslims
-raj

12-20-2005, 09:39 AM	#31 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,236 Country:	Platinum, What are you ranting about with all this MY people pizzazz? Sitting in the safe environs of UK does put you in a position to be armchair terrorists or their leader or their benefactor (if you wish). The ground realities are totally different. Dreamy eyed terrorist blew up the Underground in London. What have they achieved? More hate against the Moslems, especially in a country that was benign to all terrorist organisations so long it did not affect their security. Now that Britain has been jiggered, Blair is going ballistics against the Moslem. Oh of course, he is not using the "M" word, but we all know who the new laws under consideration is going to be used against. Is that the fate the Moslems want their brethrern in UK to be be saddled with? __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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12-21-2005, 00:29 AM	#38 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,236 Country:	He is smoking Camel. The real four legged Camel of Arabia. The arrogance of some illiterate people that religion alone decides the future of a State i.e. Kashmir! It shows the deep indoctrination of intolerance and being devoid of comprehending the modern socio cultural and religious environment of the world that it is of coexistence and not bigotry. Interestingly, the same said intolerant religious finks enter Christian lands and demand that the Christians be secular and allow these intolerant finks liberty to ensure that they spread their religion as also create mayhem and bloodshed at will! If because Kashmir Valley is predominantly Moslem and hence should be a Moslem country (they have ensured that there is an exodus of Hindus and Christians from the Kashmir Valley), then shouldn't the US, UK, France, Germany and rest of the "Christian" world also not demand that they be Christian Republics and be as intolerant as the Islamic countries wherein none else are allowed to practice their religion or allowed to build their places of worship? I am aware that there are Moslems who do not share the bigotry displayed by some over zealous Moslems in proclaiming the "superiority" of their religion or that others are humbugs following a sinful religion or a false religion. Hence, this post does not apply to them.

12-21-2005, 02:43 AM	#42 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	Who sets the rules? Which set of rules are we using? Which set of eyes are we looking through? And how do the issues impact that set of eyes? To some (in relation to the world population) the colonial wars of the post WW-2 period have the Europeans as some sort of good guys with the, often left leaning, anti colonial forces as evil. Hell people celebrate colonial conquests and the "glory" of those brutal empires, are they evil or are so many others wrong?

12-21-2005, 05:51 AM	#45 (permalink)
raj Contributor Join Date: 05-13-05 Posts: 468	this is waht i think about muslim countries, they hold back their 50% of human resources in bhurka locked at home doing nothing, and the remaining blast themselves for the sake of 72 virgins. BTW when was the last time a muslim who did his research from a muslim country got a nobel. I think women scientists all over the world produce more technical papers than 10 times the technical papers that come out of muslim countries. The worst thing is that they are jealous of their neighbours prosperring, see the case with ISRAEL it made a desert into a heaven, even with all the oil money the whole of middle east cannot think of doing what ISRAEL did in 1000 years. there is a saying in my language which goes some thing like this "termities are born and die, but the world never notices" so are the muslims -raj

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