Kashmir solution could be India’s quake donation, says Musharraf

Ray · 11-20-2005, 14:11 PM

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Kashmir solution could be India’s quake donation, says Musharraf

By Rana Qaisar and Shahzad Raza

ISLAMABAD: President General Pervez Musharraf said on Saturday the resolution of the long-standing Kashmir dispute could be India’s “donation” to Pakistan’s efforts to recover from the devastating October 8 earthquake.

Gen Musharraf, making the keynote speech at the Donors’ Conference here, pointed out the Indian delegation’s presence at the conference and said: “Let the resolution of the lingering issue of Kashmir be India’s donation to mitigate the sufferings of the Kashmiris.”

He said the challenge of the earthquake could be converted to an “opportunity of a lifetime” and asked the Indian leadership to “grasp the fleeting moment” to resolve the Kashmir issue. The earthquake had led to a blossoming of goodwill between Kashmiris on both sides as well as between the people of India and Pakistan. “Let’s together resolve the Kashmir dispute once and for all and grasp the fleeting moment, let happiness emerge from the ruins of the tragedy,” he said, appealing to the Indian government, opposition, Indian and Pakistani media, business community, Indian-held Kashmir administration and All Parties Hurriyat Conference to contribute to peace efforts.

“The earthquake has provided a rare fleeting opportunity to heal the relationship between the two South Asian nations. If leaders fail to grasp fleeting opportunities, they fail their nations and they fail their people.” The president said he believed that the challenge of this earthquake could be made an “opportunity of a lifetime” to improve relations never previously available to India and Pakistan.

At a later press conference, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz suggested that the five points opened at the Line of Control (LoC) be made permanent passages for Kashmiris living on both sides of the divide. “I think the points are open once a week. We want they should be kept open (permanently) so that the earthquake victims can cross the LoC and meet their loved ones,” Aziz said, adding that the five points could also be used for bilateral trade between Pakistan and India.

The prime minister said resolving the Kashmir dispute was in the larger interest of the people of both countries. He said Indian civil society and particularly businessmen must play a role in helping to resolve the dispute.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-11-2005_pg1_5

Indeed it will be a great contribution by India if the crossings are made permanent.

But then, as usual, Musharraf forgot about the greatest contribution that Pakistan can make towards this great cause - stopping cross border terrorism.

No terrorism and life is but a dream for all!

Ray · 11-20-2005, 14:14 PM

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Terrorism-free atmosphere needed to resolve disputes: India

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: Shortly after President Musharraf remarked that the earthquake offered a lifetime opportunity to settle the Kashmir issue, India said on Saturday it was willing to resolve all bilateral issues through dialogue in an “atmosphere free from terrorism,” Rediff.com reported.

Indian State Minister for External Affairs E Ahamed speaking after General Musharraf at the International Donors’ Conference to raise funds for the earthquake victims said India was ready to undertake specific reconstruction projects in the affected areas of Pakistan.

“I thank you for the kind references to my country. It is encouraging to see that people of both countries have come forward to help the victims,” he said addressing Musharraf.

“The spontaneous outpouring of sympathy and goodwill for the victims gives us the strength and motivation to work for greater people-to-people contacts and confidence building measures between the two countries,” the report quoted Ahamed as saying.

It stated that responding to Gen Musharraf’s remarks that the earthquake offered an “opportunity of a lifetime” to resolve the Kashmir issue, the minister said, “On Kashmir, our position is well known. India is prepared to resolve all issues, including Kashmir through dialogue between our two countries in an atmosphere free of terrorism and violence.”

Ahamed said he was sent to Islamabad by the Indian government to offer support to the government and people of Pakistan in rehabilitation and reconstruction efforts.

“I reaffirm our support to these efforts that are being mobilised for the earthquake,” he said.

He affirmed India’s pledge of $25 million made at October’s donor’s conference held by the United Nations in Geneva.

“The Pakistan government would be welcome to use these funds for sourcing supplies from India. It is our wish that India’s contribution should be used for rebuilding schools, hospitals and houses. The technology available in India for pre-fabricated earthquake centres can also be sourced from this fund,” he said.

Welcoming Musharraf’s comments that Pakistan could get Indian steel for construction, Ahamed said, “We have noted your suggestion to source construction materials from India. I would like to convey the willingness of the Indian government to take up specific projects in education and health where India has wide experience and expertise.”

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-11-2005_pg7_2

Vaman · 11-20-2005, 14:19 PM

"Gimme gimme gimme gimee.."

Can that man ever learn to say something else?

Neo · 11-21-2005, 15:37 PM

KJM Varma (PTI)

Islamabad, November 21, 2005

Pakistan on Monday claimed to have forwarded a proposal to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for granting "self-governance" to Kashmir on both sides of the LoC and was awaiting a response.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz had discussed the proposal with Singh when they met in Dhaka during the SAARC Summit earlier this month, Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told a media briefing here.

She was asked about references by Aziz to "self-governance" in his talks with Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahamed in Islamabad on Sunday.

Declining to give details of the "self-governance" formula, she said it was an important idea that could be discussed further if India reacted positively.

"It was part of many ideas being floated to discuss a solution to Kashmir issue," she said.

Asked about Singh's reaction to it, she claimed "Prime Minister Manmohan Singh did take note", but there was no response from India so far.

Aslam said Pakistan believed that an "out of the box thinking" was required to resolve the Kashmir issue.

India and Pakistan have their respective stands on Kashmir and "there can be forward movement if both sides show flexibility and till that happens our position is what it was, that is resolving it by implementing UN resolutions. Pakistan wants a solution acceptable to all stake holders," she said.

She said statements by President Pervez Musharraf and Aziz about de-militarisation and self-governance are "just an idea at this stage".

About the ongoing peace process, the spokesperson said it was moving forward but "maybe not at the speed we like".

To a question about the International Donors Conference in which Pakistan received pledges to the tune of $5.8 billion, she said Pakistan was grateful to the international community for the donations. "We do hope these pledges will convert into a concrete form".

About the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report on Iran, the spokesperson said there was no reference to either Pakistan or nuclear scientist Dr AQ Khan in the report.

Aslam said Aziz would attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, scheduled to take place in Malta from November 25. Pakistan will be attending the meeting of CHOGM after a gap of six years after its re-admission to the Commonwealth in 2004.

Pakistan was suspended from the Commonwealth after Musharraf took over power in a military coup in 1998.

She said Pakistan can now benefit from the projects and programmes identified by the Commonwealth Secretariat's programme of work.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...1300270001.htm

raj · 11-22-2005, 00:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

KJM Varma (PTI)

Islamabad, November 21, 2005

Pakistan on Monday claimed to have forwarded a proposal to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for granting "self-governance" to Kashmir on both sides of the LoC and was awaiting a response.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz had discussed the proposal with Singh when they met in Dhaka during the SAARC Summit earlier this month, Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told a media briefing here.

She was asked about references by Aziz to "self-governance" in his talks with Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahamed in Islamabad on Sunday.

Declining to give details of the "self-governance" formula, she said it was an important idea that could be discussed further if India reacted positively.

"It was part of many ideas being floated to discuss a solution to Kashmir issue," she said.

Asked about Singh's reaction to it, she claimed "Prime Minister Manmohan Singh did take note", but there was no response from India so far.

Aslam said Pakistan believed that an "out of the box thinking" was required to resolve the Kashmir issue.

India and Pakistan have their respective stands on Kashmir and "there can be forward movement if both sides show flexibility and till that happens our position is what it was, that is resolving it by implementing UN resolutions. Pakistan wants a solution acceptable to all stake holders," she said.

She said statements by President Pervez Musharraf and Aziz about de-militarisation and self-governance are "just an idea at this stage".

About the ongoing peace process, the spokesperson said it was moving forward but "maybe not at the speed we like".

To a question about the International Donors Conference in which Pakistan received pledges to the tune of $5.8 billion, she said Pakistan was grateful to the international community for the donations. "We do hope these pledges will convert into a concrete form".

About the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report on Iran, the spokesperson said there was no reference to either Pakistan or nuclear scientist Dr AQ Khan in the report.

Aslam said Aziz would attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, scheduled to take place in Malta from November 25. Pakistan will be attending the meeting of CHOGM after a gap of six years after its re-admission to the Commonwealth in 2004.

Pakistan was suspended from the Commonwealth after Musharraf took over power in a military coup in 1998.

She said Pakistan can now benefit from the projects and programmes identified by the Commonwealth Secretariat's programme of work.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...1300270001.htm

BTW if u dont know neo, kashmir which is on indian side is an autonomous state under atricle 370 of indian constitution.

lemontree · 11-22-2005, 00:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

KJM Varma (PTI)

Islamabad, November 21, 2005

Pakistan on Monday claimed to have forwarded a proposal to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for granting "self-governance" to Kashmir on both sides of the LoC and was awaiting a response...

Neo,
I wonder if Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz realises that the areas in referrence also include the Northern Areas that Pakistan has incorporated into itself and kept it separate from AJK?...

Gautam · 11-22-2005, 15:51 PM

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Originally Posted by raj

BTW if u dont know neo, kashmir which is on indian side is an autonomous state under atricle 370 of indian constitution.

That is loads of bs, Article 370 is irrelevant in relation to Kashmir and it has been since 1965. As the situation stands 2day it is a surprise that Article 370 still finds a place in the Indian Constitution.

Though I don't believe in justifying any text in relation 2 Kashmir, Dear Raj there are numerous other Justifications 2 be given if needed.

Neo · 11-22-2005, 16:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Neo,
I wonder if Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz realises that the areas in referrence also include the Northern Areas that Pakistan has incorporated into itself and kept it separate from AJK?...

NA is no longer part of Kashmir

lemontree · 11-23-2005, 00:40 AM

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NA is no longer part of Kashmir

Pok for India means AJK and NA...as per the original recognised borders of 1947 (excluding the NWFP region that belongs to Afghanistan).

Samudra · 11-23-2005, 07:16 AM

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NA is no longer part of Kashmir

Hence there will be no solution for the Kashmir issue.

Akshay · 11-24-2005, 12:03 PM

I do not understand what exactly Musharaff needs. In which way is it going to be an 'Oppurtunity of a lifetime'? What sort of solution is it going to enforce? Musharaff is averse to India's idea of converting LOC into IB then its obvious he wants more from India. Does he believe that India would be generous enough to donate the rest of the Kashmir to him? Is that what his statement implies? Negotiations are already in place. What else should India do to please him? It is now Musharaff's time to learn to Give rather than keep asking for more.

P.S My 100th Post..

Srirangan · 11-24-2005, 12:23 PM

"Kashmir solution could be India’s quake donation, says Musharraf"

So is he now begging? On your knees now..

Jay · 11-24-2005, 20:07 PM

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Originally Posted by srirangan

"Kashmir solution could be India’s quake donation, says Musharraf"

So is he now begging? On your knees now..

Is some one opening their zippers?

11-21-2005, 15:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Neo Silent lurker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-06-05 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 7,920 Country:	Self-governance for Kashmir proposed to Indian PM: Pak KJM Varma (PTI) Islamabad, November 21, 2005 Pakistan on Monday claimed to have forwarded a proposal to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for granting "self-governance" to Kashmir on both sides of the LoC and was awaiting a response. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz had discussed the proposal with Singh when they met in Dhaka during the SAARC Summit earlier this month, Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told a media briefing here. She was asked about references by Aziz to "self-governance" in his talks with Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahamed in Islamabad on Sunday. Declining to give details of the "self-governance" formula, she said it was an important idea that could be discussed further if India reacted positively. "It was part of many ideas being floated to discuss a solution to Kashmir issue," she said. Asked about Singh's reaction to it, she claimed "Prime Minister Manmohan Singh did take note", but there was no response from India so far. Aslam said Pakistan believed that an "out of the box thinking" was required to resolve the Kashmir issue. India and Pakistan have their respective stands on Kashmir and "there can be forward movement if both sides show flexibility and till that happens our position is what it was, that is resolving it by implementing UN resolutions. Pakistan wants a solution acceptable to all stake holders," she said. She said statements by President Pervez Musharraf and Aziz about de-militarisation and self-governance are "just an idea at this stage". About the ongoing peace process, the spokesperson said it was moving forward but "maybe not at the speed we like". To a question about the International Donors Conference in which Pakistan received pledges to the tune of $5.8 billion, she said Pakistan was grateful to the international community for the donations. "We do hope these pledges will convert into a concrete form". About the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report on Iran, the spokesperson said there was no reference to either Pakistan or nuclear scientist Dr AQ Khan in the report. Aslam said Aziz would attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, scheduled to take place in Malta from November 25. Pakistan will be attending the meeting of CHOGM after a gap of six years after its re-admission to the Commonwealth in 2004. Pakistan was suspended from the Commonwealth after Musharraf took over power in a military coup in 1998. She said Pakistan can now benefit from the projects and programmes identified by the Commonwealth Secretariat's programme of work. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...1300270001.htm __________________ Administrator @ Defence.pk

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,149 Country:	Sunday, November 20, 2005 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version Terrorism-free atmosphere needed to resolve disputes: India Daily Times Monitor LAHORE: Shortly after President Musharraf remarked that the earthquake offered a lifetime opportunity to settle the Kashmir issue, India said on Saturday it was willing to resolve all bilateral issues through dialogue in an “atmosphere free from terrorism,” Rediff.com reported. Indian State Minister for External Affairs E Ahamed speaking after General Musharraf at the International Donors’ Conference to raise funds for the earthquake victims said India was ready to undertake specific reconstruction projects in the affected areas of Pakistan. “I thank you for the kind references to my country. It is encouraging to see that people of both countries have come forward to help the victims,” he said addressing Musharraf. “The spontaneous outpouring of sympathy and goodwill for the victims gives us the strength and motivation to work for greater people-to-people contacts and confidence building measures between the two countries,” the report quoted Ahamed as saying. It stated that responding to Gen Musharraf’s remarks that the earthquake offered an “opportunity of a lifetime” to resolve the Kashmir issue, the minister said, “On Kashmir, our position is well known. India is prepared to resolve all issues, including Kashmir through dialogue between our two countries in an atmosphere free of terrorism and violence.” Ahamed said he was sent to Islamabad by the Indian government to offer support to the government and people of Pakistan in rehabilitation and reconstruction efforts. “I reaffirm our support to these efforts that are being mobilised for the earthquake,” he said. He affirmed India’s pledge of $25 million made at October’s donor’s conference held by the United Nations in Geneva. “The Pakistan government would be welcome to use these funds for sourcing supplies from India. It is our wish that India’s contribution should be used for rebuilding schools, hospitals and houses. The technology available in India for pre-fabricated earthquake centres can also be sourced from this fund,” he said. Welcoming Musharraf’s comments that Pakistan could get Indian steel for construction, Ahamed said, “We have noted your suggestion to source construction materials from India. I would like to convey the willingness of the Indian government to take up specific projects in education and health where India has wide experience and expertise.” http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-11-2005_pg7_2

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Akshay formerly ab041937 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-27-05 Posts: 1,518 Country:	I do not understand what exactly Musharaff needs. In which way is it going to be an 'Oppurtunity of a lifetime'? What sort of solution is it going to enforce? Musharaff is averse to India's idea of converting LOC into IB then its obvious he wants more from India. Does he believe that India would be generous enough to donate the rest of the Kashmir to him? Is that what his statement implies? Negotiations are already in place. What else should India do to please him? It is now Musharaff's time to learn to Give rather than keep asking for more. P.S My 100th Post..

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