7/7 mastermind thought to be in Pakistan

Ray · 09-13-2005, 10:42 AM

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7/7 mastermind thought to be in Pakistan

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: One of the four London suicide bombers made numerous calls to a stolen mobile phone in Pakistan up to three days before the July 7 attacks, British newspaper Telegraph reports.

Pakistani officials say they have traced the stolen phone after receiving requests from Britain’s MI5 to investigate. They suspect that it was used by terrorists linked to the bombers, and then discarded after the London attacks, the newspaper says. The phone number was rung several times - as late as July 4 - by Shehzad Tanweer, one of the bombers who visited Pakistan more than six months ago along with Mohammad Sidique Khan, the cell’s suspected ringleader. The disclosure has deepened suspicions that a “mastermind” based abroad was guiding the gang, the report adds.

Pakistan is considered vital to the investigation into the London attacks, which killed 56 people. Last weekend The Sunday Telegraph disclosed that MI5 officers suspect that the video message of Sidique Khan was recorded in Pakistan, possibly with the assistance of Al Qaeda.

Security officers also suspect that Khan and Tanweer may have received advice on bomb making at a training camp in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Pakistani intelligence officers have discovered that the mobile phone’s SIM card microchip originally came from a phone used in Sukkur, in Sindh province, which is renowned as a militant city. It was originally owned by a tailor, but fell into criminals’ hands. It has not been used since the London attacks, the Telegraph report says. It emerged on Friday that seven terrorist suspects wanted over possible involvement with the London bombings are facing extradition from Pakistan to Britain under a new agreement. One is thought to have met one or more of the suicide bombers. Whitehall officials refused to confirm details of the MI5 request to Pakistan for “operational reasons”, but conceded that mobile phone calls, including some made abroad, were now central to the investigation.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...3-9-2005_pg1_3

Sooner the issue is solved, sooner shall the world sigh a breath of relief!

indianguy4u · 09-13-2005, 12:08 PM

Whats this pureland?

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Neo · 09-13-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Sooner the issue is solved, sooner shall the world sigh a breath of relief!

They suspect this and that...and they assume some more...NOTHING BUT SPECULATIONS SOFAR...neclecting the fact that a whole new generation of HOME GROWN extremists is out there.

Sameer · 09-13-2005, 12:34 PM

Well I do not see what is is so surprising, Al Queda operates from Pakistan and are aparently in hiding in pakistani cities (most of the caught leaders have been in cities not nwp by the fbi). So of course they will call headcommand for instructions before carrying out bombings.

Ray · 09-14-2005, 11:38 AM

Neo,

There is no doubt that the British system of education and society integration has been basically superficial.

If it were not so, then, there would be no homegrown terrorists who are lured into fantacism.

One cannot solely blame Pakistan for the same.

The British to project a liberal and high morals image to the world to pretend they are a fair race even to its former colonial subjects have messed it up real well.

They have allowed terrorist outfits to preach their venom because it did not affect their own country.

Now that it has affected thier own country, they are feigning surprise and wanting to go hammer and tongs.

It is reminds me of the adage - locking the stable door after the horse has bolted!

It is in UK's own interest to solve the case the fastest and get cracking to integrate society and not subtly keep communities separate.

Neo · 09-14-2005, 11:43 AM

Fully agree here, I couldn't have said it better.

Neo · 09-14-2005, 11:51 AM

7/7 is a closed file for us, still they are trying to blame others for their own problems.
A few phonecalls or a visit to Pakistan may send some wrong singnals, but these guys grew up in England, got their education there, got exposed to extremism there...they are more english than Pakistani.
If someone faild here, its the British system and their securitysevices.

Gautam · 09-14-2005, 13:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

There is no doubt that the British system of education and society integration has been basically superficial.

If it were not so, then, there would be no homegrown terrorists who are lured into fantacism.

One cannot solely blame Pakistan for the same.

The British to project a liberal and high morals image to the world to pretend they are a fair race even to its former colonial subjects have messed it up real well.

They have allowed terrorist outfits to preach their venom because it did not affect their own country.

Now that it has affected thier own country, they are feigning surprise and wanting to go hammer and tongs.

It is reminds me of the adage - locking the stable door after the horse has bolted!

It is in UK's own interest to solve the case the fastest and get cracking to integrate society and not subtly keep communities separate.

I disagree with you Ray, correct me if I am wrong but why is it that majority of muslims prefer to live in ghettos.
Let me quote london's famous ghettos "Tower Hill -East london ..more tha 65% population is Bangladeshi and Tower hill borough is the most run down and worst borough in the UK.
Ilford "Dominated by Pakistanis & Gujaratis"
Southall "Up coming ghetto for Somalian refugees"

I don't say that only muslims ghetto up but the fact is that muslims around the world prefer to stay in ghettos. Further they hardly take any steps themselves to integrate themselves into the socities they live.
So unless they stop forming ghetto's like those in Leeds, Oldham, Bradford blaming the British would not solve any purpose. On a factor of 10 British can be said to share the blame at a scale of 3 BUT the push to integrate themselves into their host society has to come from the muslim population of the UK.

Ray · 09-14-2005, 16:14 PM

Majority of any Asian countries live in ghettos because the British complain about the wierd smell coming from the Asian kitchen and that they (the Asians) are filthy sods at best.

As far as Moslems staying todether, I cannot comment.

Now that you raised the issue, even in Kolkata we have Moslem localities. I wonder why! Maybe a sense of belonging. Maybe.

Gautam · 09-14-2005, 19:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Majority of any Asian countries live in ghettos because the British complain about the wierd smell coming from the Asian kitchen and that they (the Asians) are filthy sods at best.

As far as Moslems staying todether, I cannot comment.

Now that you raised the issue, even in Kolkata we have Moslem localities. I wonder why! Maybe a sense of belonging. Maybe.

Almost all my relatives live in either US, UK or Canada and as far as I know including myself , none of us has ever ghettoed up.

gilgamesh · 09-16-2005, 13:13 PM

Brig Ray, US is different. There's more social mobility. Asians live in affluent neighborhoods. A few Chinatowns and Indian streets like Jackson Heights, Dewan St. etc are more of an exception than a rule(you need some convienient location to pick up the masalas).

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,276 Country:	Majority of any Asian countries live in ghettos because the British complain about the wierd smell coming from the Asian kitchen and that they (the Asians) are filthy sods at best. As far as Moslems staying todether, I cannot comment. Now that you raised the issue, even in Kolkata we have Moslem localities. I wonder why! Maybe a sense of belonging. Maybe. Last edited by Ray : 09-14-2005 at 16:17 PM.

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Sameer Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 2,541	Well I do not see what is is so surprising, Al Queda operates from Pakistan and are aparently in hiding in pakistani cities (most of the caught leaders have been in cities not nwp by the fbi). So of course they will call headcommand for instructions before carrying out bombings.

09-14-2005, 11:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,276 Country:	Neo, There is no doubt that the British system of education and society integration has been basically superficial. If it were not so, then, there would be no homegrown terrorists who are lured into fantacism. One cannot solely blame Pakistan for the same. The British to project a liberal and high morals image to the world to pretend they are a fair race even to its former colonial subjects have messed it up real well. They have allowed terrorist outfits to preach their venom because it did not affect their own country. Now that it has affected thier own country, they are feigning surprise and wanting to go hammer and tongs. It is reminds me of the adage - locking the stable door after the horse has bolted! It is in UK's own interest to solve the case the fastest and get cracking to integrate society and not subtly keep communities separate.

09-14-2005, 11:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neo Silent lurker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-06-05 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 7,920 Country:	Fully agree here, I couldn't have said it better.

09-14-2005, 11:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Neo Silent lurker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-06-05 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 7,920 Country:	7/7 is a closed file for us, still they are trying to blame others for their own problems. A few phonecalls or a visit to Pakistan may send some wrong singnals, but these guys grew up in England, got their education there, got exposed to extremism there...they are more english than Pakistani. If someone faild here, its the British system and their securitysevices.

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