Ray

Hongkongjoe,

Intellectuality of Pakistan, if you are the archetypal "educated" Paksitani, is indeed suspect.

Your concept of being "Great", as the average "educated" Paksitani. is owing studios, being dress designer (fancy tailors), barbers (hairstylist), male model (studs and giggolos) and other non intellectual pursuits.

Now, if that is the "intellect" that you display as the "educated" voice of Pakistan, and the fact that being a President of a country is as good as being a dress designer (fancy tailor), what other opinion can one have?

raj

what i meant to say was that pakistan is in no way responsible for that to become a noble prize winner. if some one was it was the unversity in USA namely stanford that is responsible for that prize. If u take the case of CV RAMAN who got his nobel for his CV RAMAN effect, he did his research in INDIA, and INDIAN universitys are solely responsible for what he achieved.
BTW i dont think pakistan considers that man to be enough of a muslim because he is ahmedia.
-raj

Ray

So he is an AHMEDIYYA?

But aren't they also Moslems?

One cannot be a Moslem by percentage of 'Moslemity', or can they?

raj

govt of pakistan does not thimk so

Hongkongfuey

You are missing the point. Azim Premji is rich due to international business wealth he has accumulated. Nothing to do with India. Outsourcing occurred into India and he caught the crest of a wave. Smart man, initial resources, bit of luck, and his company flourished due to international demand for his product. The film directors of Pakistan have a market that is primarily, if not completely Pakistani. The difference between the two societies is day and night. India appears to be deeply divided by racial boundaries, Pakistan does not.

No need to keep repeating Azim Premji btw, i heard the first time. The Indian presidential position is simply not a position of power. He just carries out ceremonial duties. Yes, it is a position of honour, a bit like a Queen or King, but it does not give him any power - there is no equivalent in Pakistan. But realistically you will never get an Indian Muslim prime minister. Even Sonia Gandhi felt the pressure to step down.

Another idiotic point you appear to be peddling is that somehow film directors, musical singers are irrelevant successes. This is a completely absurd viewpoint. Do you not realize that a success is a success be it in showbiz or science. The fact that Hindu film directors are a success is testament to the fact that they are not held back. That is the point you miss. Be it in science or music or film, the essential point is that they are not held back. If Hindus take that direction in life in Pakistan, then so be it. But a success is a success.

Regarding politicians. Get real. Look at the size differences of the countries. India has 10 times the population , so probably 10 times as big a National Assembly. Let's assume it's the same size (it's probably bigger though, perhaps double), India has 8 times as many Hindus as Muslims, Pakistan has about 50 times as many Muslims as Hindus. That means that you would expect 50/8=6.3 times as many Indian Muslim politicians as Indian Hindu politicians in India. So for 2 Pakistani Muslim politicians you should have at least 13 seats reserved for Muslims. However, i think the system of selection of seats might have changed in Pakistan, as Asim points out, there are 2 minorities in the MMA itself (!!), including one Hindu.

Hongkongfuey

Some ignorant Sunnis call Shias as Kafirs, Shias call Sunnis as Kafirs and all other sects of Islam including Qadianis, Ismailis etc call each other as Kafirs. That doest mean they are not muslims. Just like Mormons, Protestants, Catholics are different sects of Christianity, Qadianis, Sunnis, Shias etc are different sects of Islam.

Abdus Salam is Muslim because he had Muslim name and he CLAIMS to be Muslim and NOT HINDU or whatever. Got it ?

Asim Aquil

And he IS a Pakistani.

hubby

Compare the two statements made by Mr. Honkonphey

To him..Azim Premji is not successful.Why?

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Ray

Hongkongfooey,

I thought you are here to correct the posters as per your introduction.

We are pleased to learn that people of your high calibre have come to save us.

Do show some calibre.

Your contradictions and your arguments are indeed quite sub standard.

Our President is not so impotent or a puppet of Mush as your PM.

I hope you know of the Jharkhand issue where he in a most dignified manner as becoming of a President ensured that political propriety was maintained! Also, his peech in Parliament where he pulled up the Parliamentarians.

He is not a sinecure.

We will have our Moslem PM when we so deisre. It is rather supercillious of you to feel that India has to please Pakistanis in our political affairs. Very p[retensious of you one must say.

Actually the point about film directors and barbers and tailors is not idiotic. What is idiotic is your contention of equating them as "great" with positions of actual greatness which is internationally acclaimed, like the head of state et al. I am sure you can be a good barber in Pakistan, but not the President!

That's a neat hunkering down. Your rank discrimination is because you are a small country! Good show. Do peddle some more of these juvenile excuses. Does add to the humour.

Are you aware that our Jew population is miniscule, but we had a Jew General who defeated Pakistan in 1971? Are you aware that he was a Governor?

So that much for discriminiation in India compared to your Pakistan. Can you not make even one minority bloke hold some important post? I am sure you need not be so rabid in discrimination.

But then your quotient of "greatness" whittles down to barbers, tailors, cobblers and that class.

Presidents, Members of Parliament, Union Ministers, Speakers of
Assemblies and enterprenaurs are but run of the mill, right?

Ray

So Ahmediyyas are Kaffir when convenient and Moslems when convenient!

Such a typical state of argument from our Honkongjoe.

Ay bhi Wahwah, Tan bhi Wahwah!

(This is great andteh opposite is also great! [depends on the line of argument])

Asim Aquil

Dude, its simple. Its not OUR place to call them Muslims or Kaffirs.

Adux

Every pakistani i have met suffers from a inferiority complex. USA has only 1/5th of our population yet they are way ahead of us.

Stop using your statistics, it doesnt mean squat. If there are oppertunities great men will grab them better than the rest.

Josh

Hongkongfuey

Right this will take some explanation to sink in. I shall give it my best. You cannot compare a country with 10 times the population of another directly, not in terms of numbers of people. You need to equate them. For example USA versus India. India has 5 times the population of USA. One would expect there to be 5 times as many successful people in India compared to USA. It's a very simple principle. Let us say that India and USA had the same facilities, education, money, investment, culture, everything was exactly the same, only India had five times more people. You would expect that there would be 5 times as many successful people in India compared to the USA, unless there was a quality lack in India, or the situation could be in reverse. Same outcome but in reverse. The same applies to Pakistan. In order to justify your statements of finding one successful Indian Muslim to one successful Pakistani Hindu, you need to normalize the two nations to account for population differences and composition. India is about 7 times the size of Pakistan population wise. Therefore, to prove that Pakistani Hindus are being discriminated against being successful, you need to first off assume South Asian Muslims and Hindus are equally capable (which i do), have the similar goals (which i do), and then you have to account for the population composition differences. This is done by comparing the numbers of minority individuals. In Pakistan there are 2.5 million Hindus or so, whereas in India there are around 15 million Muslims. So assuming everything else being equal (except for socioeconomic background brought on by discrimination) you should find 15/2.5=6 times as many successes in Indian Muslims compared to Pakistani Hindus. So for every successful Pakistani Hindu, there should be 6 successful Indian Muslims.

Hongkongfuey

Azim Premji is a success. However, his success is not due to the Indians. His success comes from his own hard work, grit, and thanks in large to a lot of contracts from foriegn companies. The difference the success of his and Anand Shastri is that Shastri has made it big thanks to the Pakistani Muslim population who like his films.

Adux

HKF

if you are to equate success like that, you need to use the probability theory in realtion with the population.

You are taking a simplestic view and trying to calculate somethin, when there are intangiable factors affecting it therefore it cant be calculated. and i was putting The USA as an example , to understand ur logic. Which does not make any sense to anybody here.

I am a backward caste hindu, therefore i get more perks in this country which i find unfair. The higher up hindu's are oppressed so are the christians as they are put in the forward caste. Muslims are also put in the Backward caste therefore get so many perks.

I am not saying India is perfect , far from it. but it is 100times better than a Pakistan, period

Josh