Politicians 'incited' anti-Sikh riots of November 1984 - Page 2

hubby · 08-10-2005, 00:22 AM

I remember some years ago Jagdish Tytler was campaigning in our area, going around houses until he came to our neighbourhood businessman sardarjee's house.And then I saw the houseowner garlanding Tytler and screaming "Jagdish Tytler , Zindabad".At that time I was too young to know who was Jagdish Tytler (except that he was one Cong. leader). Then my father told me about him (including his involvement in the riots). I asked dad that why was he then garlanded by a Sikh, he told me,"its politics,here religion doesn't matter, power does".

hammer · 08-10-2005, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 667medic

Why the F cant Congress make make a scapegoat out of Tytler and bring a sense of finality to this unfortune chapter. People were killed and someone definitely has to take the blame. If nothing is done now, it would cast aspersions on the secular credentials of India....

Thats 'coz half the congress party belongs in jail. One burglar cannot punish the other for his deeds.Even Rajiv Gandhi didnt do anything to quell the violence.When asked about the violence in Delhi, he replied that when a big tree falls (Indira's assasination) there's bound to be some tremors(violence) around!!!. Jagdish Tytler deserves to be hanged for inciting violence.

bull · 08-10-2005, 03:46 AM

The people who where behind have to be hanged to death and if they are already dead then gid their grave and hang the body.This is real shame.The whole world knows who where the people behind it still they walk free.

indianguy4u · 08-10-2005, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord General

Since no politicians and other high ranked individuals have been brought to justice, it is the single most biggest reason why Sikhs do not wish to live in India. Although the politicians were corrupt, with hired criminals, the blame is not on India as a whole.

Sikhs in foreign are minisule in relation to sikhs in India. If what u said is the truth then there would be no sikhs in India at all & none in the defence forces. Also all the sikh voilence was in delhi & i dont know if any riots happened in mumbai against sikhs. So it was problem was in delhi & the youth congress of delhi.

667medic · 08-10-2005, 05:54 AM

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Thats 'coz half the congress party belongs in jail. One burglar cannot punish the other for his deeds.Even Rajiv Gandhi didnt do anything to quell the violence.When asked about the violence in Delhi, he replied that when a big tree falls (Indira's assasination) there's bound to be some tremors(violence) around!!!. Jagdish Tytler deserves to be hanged for inciting violence.

Well this cant keep on going on. There is no point in hiding the skeletons. The sad thing is that we keep on repeating the same mistakes. It happened in Delhi, it happened again in Ahmedabad. If the scumbags responsible for 84 had been brought to book, then Ahmedabad might not have happened.

lemontree · 08-10-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 667medic

Well this cant keep on going on. There is no point in hiding the skeletons. The sad thing is that we keep on repeating the same mistakes. It happened in Delhi, it happened again in Ahmedabad. If the scumbags responsible for 84 had been brought to book, then Ahmedabad might not have happened.

The fact is that only if the scum bags responsible for '84 are brought to book, then only will the crooks of Gujarat face the law.
It is shame full that inspite of being the largest democracy such culprits get away like the royals in Saudi Arabia.

hammer · 08-10-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

The fact is that only if the scum bags responsible for '84 are brought to book, then only will the crooks of Gujarat face the law.
It is shame full that inspite of being the largest democracy such culprits get away like the royals in Saudi Arabia.

Not one politician has been punished for corruption, instigating violence or criminal activities so far. Somehow the b******* get away. Makes me wonder if laws and rules are only for the common people.Our political system desperately needs some harsh changes.

Ray · 08-10-2005, 09:53 AM

I am awaiting and watching if the politicians will get booked!

Already all sorts of 'escape clauses' are being bandied.

The blasted Communistwho are suporting the "Govt from outside" and who without fail pretentiously project the "moral and social conscience of the Nation" have been remarkable ambivalent and evasive. Good thing, They are now being exposed.

The culprits must hang.

bull · 08-10-2005, 09:56 AM

BBc reports that politician named in the report tobe investigated upon.
My guess is that as time goes on the pressure on tytler will increase and he will have to resign ultimately.

Atleast that has to be acheieved with this report then it is a big shame!!

667medic · 08-10-2005, 11:44 AM

Just hope that they make Tytler the goat and close this chapter. The problem is that Tytler will start singing like a bird about the rest of the gang....

hubby · 08-10-2005, 12:05 PM

Flash news: Jagdish Tytler offers his resignation.

Punjab Ki Fauj · 08-10-2005, 13:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

So much distrust could've been avoided between Sikhs and Indians if this was taken up seriously from the get go. Anyway, PKF, what do you feel now about India? Derr aye, darusst aye?

My views on India are unchanged and will remain unchanged. As far as i am concerned Punjab is at war and is occupied by the Indians. Until they withdraw from not only Punjab but also from Jammu & Kashmir and the entire 'North East' there will be and should be no peace and normality. Normality will be when the Indians accept the unrefutable facts that the Punjab, Kashmir, Nagalim, Assam are all distinct 'nations' and 'peoples' that are guaranteed under International Law as 'nations' and 'peoples' to freely determine their own political, social, cultural and economic development and future.

The Nagas declared their independence one day ahead of the Indian Union in 1947, Jammu & Kashmir never ceded to India and no document of accession has ever been provided, and the Sikhs under the Sarbat Khalsa passed the Khalistan resolution at the Akal Takht in 1986 and declared the independence of Punjab in 1987. It is by the will of the people that living under Indian rule has been rejected.

While they will sit here and claim that Kashmiris, Punjabis, Nagas etc are happy to be living in India truth is that none of these Bhaiyas, Beharis, Tamils, Gujjuratis or whoever that speak these lies would ever fit in or be accepted if they tried to go and live in Kashmir, Assam etc I dare any of these Gujjuratis or Tamils to try and move to Tarn Taran (Punjab) or say Imphal in Manipur. They will never be accepted and will be chased if not forced out or worse.

Even non-separatist but nationalist Marathas under Thackery cannot stomach the centralization, Hindization and mass migrations of Hindustani/Gujjurati populations into his native homeland. Why? It is because we are all distinct peoples and nations from one another that should not be forced to live in an unnatural Hindi dominated country like India.

I would not even accept that Anandupr Sahib Resolution as a solution to the Punjab problem now. There should be nothing less than self-determination and independence and i thank God that the Punjab Rights Forum has come into existence a few months back and is speaking the language of 'Azadi'.

Regards,
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Punjab Ki Fauj · 08-10-2005, 13:26 PM

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hammer · 08-10-2005, 13:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Punjab Ki Fauj

My views on India are unchanged and will remain unchanged. As far as i am concerned Punjab is at war and is occupied by the Indians. Until they withdraw from not only Punjab but also from Jammu & Kashmir and the entire 'North East' there will be and should be no peace and normality. Normality will be when the Indians accept the unrefutable facts that the Punjab, Kashmir, Nagalim, Assam are all distinct 'nations' and 'peoples' that are guaranteed under International Law as 'nations' and 'peoples' to freely determine their own political, social, cultural and economic development and future.

The Nagas declared their independence one day ahead of the Indian Union in 1947, Jammu & Kashmir never ceded to India and no document of accession has ever been provided, and the Sikhs under the Sarbat Khalsa passed the Khalistan resolution at the Akal Takht in 1986 and declared the independence of Punjab in 1987. It is by the will of the people that living under Indian rule has been rejected.

While they will sit here and claim that Kashmiris, Punjabis, Nagas etc are happy to be living in India truth is that none of these Bhaiyas, Beharis, Tamils, Gujjuratis or whoever that speak these lies would ever fit in or be accepted if they tried to go and live in Kashmir, Assam etc I dare any of these Gujjuratis or Tamils to try and move to Tarn Taran (Punjab) or say Imphal in Manipur. They will never be accepted and will be chased if not forced out or worse.

Even non-separatist but nationalist Marathas under Thackery cannot stomach the centralization, Hindization and mass migrations of Hindustani/Gujjurati populations into his native homeland. Why? It is because we are all distinct peoples and nations from one another that should not be forced to live in an unnatural Hindi dominated country like India.

I would not even accept that Anandupr Sahib Resolution as a solution to the Punjab problem now. There should be nothing less than self-determination and independence and i thank God that the Punjab Rights Forum has come into existence a few months back and is speaking the language of 'Azadi'.

Regards,
_______________

More photos of anti-India protests by Sikhs in Delhi and Amritsar:

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gesar · 08-10-2005, 14:17 PM

hey bozo i thought you had some brains.pity i was wrong.what the fick is wrong with you.if you want to live in pureland then go to pure pakistan...lol.

i am mongolian loking guy and have lived and studied happily all over india.dehradun,bangalore,chennai.never been discriminated and love this country.
never felt being oppressed by BAD GUJRATIS,TAMILS and so on.......

jesus man sikhs are the most fun loving guys on this planet.i had some real good friends in dehradun and even know some cases of intermarriage.i dont see them cowering in fear from gujju/tamil invasion...lol.get your fixed or stop calling yourself sikh.you are an insult to them hardworking people.

my advice:
like in oldy hindi movies you were switched while a baby with a pakistani so you are really a pakistani in sikh body.come out and be true to your inner self.

become a proud member of pureland.you can kill the minorities there with abandon.

08-10-2005, 00:22 AM	#16 (permalink)
hubby Regular Join Date: 08-03-05 Posts: 82	I remember some years ago Jagdish Tytler was campaigning in our area, going around houses until he came to our neighbourhood businessman sardarjee's house.And then I saw the houseowner garlanding Tytler and screaming "Jagdish Tytler , Zindabad".At that time I was too young to know who was Jagdish Tytler (except that he was one Cong. leader). Then my father told me about him (including his involvement in the riots). I asked dad that why was he then garlanded by a Sikh, he told me,"its politics,here religion doesn't matter, power does". __________________ Love your enemies...it'll drive them nuts!!! :)

08-10-2005, 03:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
bull *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-17-05 Posts: 2,982	The people who where behind have to be hanged to death and if they are already dead then gid their grave and hang the body.This is real shame.The whole world knows who where the people behind it still they walk free. __________________ What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos? The ones in the casinos are serious.

08-10-2005, 14:17 PM	#30 (permalink)
gesar Regular Join Date: 07-24-05 Posts: 83	hey bozo i thought you had some brains.pity i was wrong.what the fick is wrong with you.if you want to live in pureland then go to pure pakistan...lol. i am mongolian loking guy and have lived and studied happily all over india.dehradun,bangalore,chennai.never been discriminated and love this country. never felt being oppressed by BAD GUJRATIS,TAMILS and so on....... jesus man sikhs are the most fun loving guys on this planet.i had some real good friends in dehradun and even know some cases of intermarriage.i dont see them cowering in fear from gujju/tamil invasion...lol.get your fixed or stop calling yourself sikh.you are an insult to them hardworking people. my advice: like in oldy hindi movies you were switched while a baby with a pakistani so you are really a pakistani in sikh body.come out and be true to your inner self. become a proud member of pureland.you can kill the minorities there with abandon. __________________ Taiwan rocks,PRC SUCKS.... :biggrin:

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08-10-2005, 09:53 AM	#23 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	I am awaiting and watching if the politicians will get booked! Already all sorts of 'escape clauses' are being bandied. The blasted Communistwho are suporting the "Govt from outside" and who without fail pretentiously project the "moral and social conscience of the Nation" have been remarkable ambivalent and evasive. Good thing, They are now being exposed. The culprits must hang.

08-10-2005, 09:56 AM	#24 (permalink)
bull *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-17-05 Posts: 2,982	BBc reports that politician named in the report tobe investigated upon. My guess is that as time goes on the pressure on tytler will increase and he will have to resign ultimately. Atleast that has to be acheieved with this report then it is a big shame!!

08-10-2005, 11:44 AM	#25 (permalink)
667medic *Military Professional* Join Date: 07-22-05 Posts: 1,515 Country:	Just hope that they make Tytler the goat and close this chapter. The problem is that Tytler will start singing like a bird about the rest of the gang....

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hubby Regular Join Date: 08-03-05 Posts: 82	Flash news: Jagdish Tytler offers his resignation.

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