Protect Children: Amnesty... A plea.

Asim Aquil · 08-03-2005, 21:11 PM

See what I meant? This is an ugly tactic, employed. While IMHO the deaths from the armed forces would be collateral the Indian side has recently increased its targetting of Kashmiri children since they know no matter who the person is, their resolve will falter when the crosshairs are pointed on to their children.

Whatever the reality, the side that believes it has the just cause must protect the children.

This is a very even handed commentary. I liked it, it shouldn't piss anyone off, and get the simple message through. Fight with men, like men.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_s...ID=7516&cat=10

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The Amnesty International has yet again observed that the lives of children were unprotected in Jammu and Kashmir. Expressing serious concern over the killing of three boys in Kupwara last week, the Amnesty held the killings throw into sharp focus the lack of protection for children’s right to life and safety in the troubled state.

Urging the Mufti government and armed groups to respect the rights of children, the world-famous rights body said the government was under an international obligation to promote and protect child rights in line with India’s ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. Similarly the armed groups are under an obligation to abide by the standards of humanitarian law which strictly forbid the torture, killing and hostage taking of all civilians, including children.

Children are also often amongst the victims during indiscriminate attacks on civilians. On 22 June 2005, two children were amongst 17 people injured when a grenade was thrown into a crowd of pedestrians in Gorivan Bijbehara. Children are also at risk from discarded explosive materials. On 24 July 2005, three children aged six to nine years in village Ajir in Bandipore district were injured when they played with an explosive device left behind after troops ended an operation.

Children are deeply affected by witnessing abuses inflicted on their elders, on fathers, mothers and sisters humiliated, harassed, injured or killed by law enforcement personnel or armed groups. A large number of children, according to the Amnesty, have also had to take on the burdens of child labour after the disappearance of the main bread earners of their families.

While the state government in June 2003 cited the figure of 3,184 disappearance persons in the Legislative Assembly, local human rights activists state that between 8,000 and 10,000 persons have disappeared in the state. Psychologists have spoken of the high level of disturbance, including sleep disturbance and fears amongst children in Kashmir. A god number of children after witnessing torture and brutal death of their relatives at the hands of state or non-state actors have turned idiots. And unfortunately the only psychiatric hospital in the Valley is to overburdened to render any help.

The results are alarming. The condition of such children worsens with every passing day. Some children, who lost their parents in one way or the other, have assumed the role of the head of family on their own. This has wreaked havoc with their physiology and psychology. According to experts they have matured pre-maturely and this in no way is a healthy phenomenon. A child must grow on his own. If a balloon is inflated beyond its capacity it explodes. This is exactly what happens to such children. These unfortunate souls need love, care and help. Never should they be allowed to act as the head of the family. But in this neglected land where the precious right to life is not available to the children speaking about enforcement of other rights makes no sense.

This unfortunate trend, however, can be taken care of if the state and non-state actors take care and refrain from torturing or killing a parent infront of the children. This is ironical. The Kashmiris have been seeking an end to killings, torture, and disappearances for the past fifteen years. Since the killings, torture and humiliation have not ended, the Kashmiris have been left with no option but to seek a fair deal when the children are around.

konkerer · 08-03-2005, 21:33 PM

Irene Khan of Amnesty is a terrorist sypathasier, as long as she is at helm of Amnesty, no body will give a fcuk to what Amnesty says.

As far a the three boys killed, no doubt it was a tragic event, but it was not intentional, since they were walking in militant infested wooded area in the night, and did not stop when asked by troops to do so, instead they started running away, which sealed their fate.

Running away from the troops was a wrong thing to do.

Army paid compensation to for the deceased and also the Corps commander expressed regret for the unfortunate deaths, stating that people anger was justified in this case.

On the average army kills anywhere between 5 - 10 terrorists with hardly any protest from the population, but mistakes like these draws widespread protest from the population.

Tragic though it might be, incidents like these do happen in a terrorist war zone.

Asim Aquil · 08-03-2005, 22:37 PM

naah, thats not enough. There are just no words, Konkerer. You've got to stop killing children, get killed if it may be, but the children shouldn't die.

Thats how the equation goes when it comes to children, in almost all cultures.

Su-47MKI · 08-03-2005, 23:56 PM

So...it is ok for Jihadis to kill children in their terrorist attacks, but when soldiers accidentally kill innocent children while trying to protect the general population from the Jihadis, it is wrong? What is this double standard that you Pakistanis go by? I see you people screaming at the Indian army because 3 children were accidentally killed...but none of you criticize Jihadis for killing thousands of innocent civilians every year.

I'm not saying that it is right to kill innocent children for ayn reason..but if you are going to criticize people for doing so accidentally, you should also be criticizing the ones who do so on purpose.

bull · 08-04-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

naah, thats not enough. There are just no words, Konkerer. You've got to stop killing children, get killed if it may be, but the children shouldn't die.

Thats how the equation goes when it comes to children, in almost all cultures.

Ia has officially regreted the act,they have also set up an enquiry on this incident.What more do u expect a adminstration to do?

JASOOS VIJAY · 08-04-2005, 04:00 AM

http://www.ansarburney.com/news1.htm

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19 smuggled Pak kids head home
By Asma Ali Zain

DUBAI - Nineteen Pakistani children, aged between two to eight years, who were brought into the country illegally by unscrupulous agents and ‘imposter’ parents were flown back to Pakistan yesterday.

Out of the 19 children, 10 had valid passports while nine were issued outpasses by the Pakistan Consulate here, said Pakistani Human Rights Activist and Advocate Ansar Burney whose visit was meant to rescue the kidnapped children and send them back to their ‘original’ parents in Pakistan.

Speaking to Khaleej Times, Pakistani Consul-General Amanullah Larik confirmed that nine outpasses had been issued for the children while five adults would accompany them. “The children were brought to the consulate last night and the consulate staff issued outpasses for them on a priority basis,” he said.

Shafi Samana, President of Pakistan Association, Dubai, said that the association had arranged for the air tickets for the nine children and five adults. “As part of its efforts to help the needy Pakistanis in the UAE, the association has donated the tickets to the 14 people from its welfare fund,” he said.

“The whole exercise was not possible without the help of the government authorities who helped us trace the children from all over the emirates. The cooperation of the Pakistan Embassy in Abu Dhabi, Pakistan Consulate in Dubai and the Pakistan Association is laudable due to which I have been able to take these children back to Pakistan,” said Mr Burney.

The 19 children had either been kidnapped or sold by the parents and brought to the UAE from the rural areas of Punjab including Dera Ghazi Khan and Multan, he said. “Five adults claiming to be the parents of the children are also being sent to Pakistan. “Whether their claims are true or not will be verified once we get back to Pakistan,” said Mr Burney adding that the tedious and heart wrenching process of finding the true parents of the children would start once the children are back in Pakistan and are in a state to talk.

Placing the blame on child trafficking in third world countries, Mr Burney said that the issue has to be tackled at its root cause.

“In Pakistan, parents of such children are either duped by unscrupulous agents who claim to “adopt” the child, or in many cases, parents sell off their children for money,” he explained.

“Corruption and poverty led the poor parents to sell off their offspring, which is a very sad problem,” he said.

Describing the condition of the children, Mr Burney said that the children had been brain-washed and were made to believe that the people accompanying them were their true parents.

“The modus operandi of these ‘agents’ is that after the kidnap or purchase of the children, they get them endorsed in the mother’s passport or get a separate passport for the child after which the child can travel internationally with his ‘parents’ without arousing any suspicion.

Giving a background of the child trafficking issue Mr Burney said that children were trafficked from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and several countries in Africa and brought to the Middle Eastern countries for several reasons.

Mr Burney’s Ansar Burney Welfare Trust International (ABWTI) has successfully traced out more than 82,000 children from the world over through its ‘Bureau of Missing and Kidnapped Persons’ and has delivered them safely to their families.

Asim Aquil · 08-04-2005, 23:49 PM

The soldiers are intentionally murdering them since it serves their means, to break the Kashmiris.

Samudra · 08-04-2005, 23:50 PM

Yawn.

Vaman · 08-05-2005, 00:14 AM

It was a accident, now being exploited by motivated people. Much like the London shooting of the argentinian person.
FACT: AS far as India is concerned, there will not be any change.. not ow, not ever. Doesnt matter how much the paksitanis and lahoris whine.

667medic · 08-05-2005, 00:57 AM

RIP to the departed souls. 3 innocent children die because of mistaken identity and the Pakistanis find a reason to mastrubate. If you guys are so sincere about the loss of innocent lives, rein in the terrorist pigs first. The IA probably has better things to do than to go around killing children. As long as the terrorist pigs keep infiltrating to achieve their misguided aims of screwing 72 virgins, sadly innocent lives will continue to be lost. Having said that, I sincerely hope that the IA will take pains to warn people about wandering around in the areas frequented by terrorist pigs.

Jay · 08-05-2005, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

naah, get killed if it may be, but the children shouldn't die.
Thats how the equation goes when it comes to children, in almost all cultures.

Sorry, if I'm a soldier and if I see a 15 yr old kid with an AK pointing me, I will blast him to smithernes. Its Darwinian theory, Survival of the fittest. If its my life Vs his, I will always choose the former.

And I would be surprised, if you say that you would go with open arms to the kid and get killed, its humanely not possible.

667medic · 08-05-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Sorry, if I'm a soldier and if I see a 15 yr old kid with an AK pointing me, I will blast him to smithernes. Its Darwinian theory, Survival of the fittest. If its my life Vs his, I will always choose the former.

And I would be surprised, if you say that you would go with open arms to the kid and get killed, its humanely not possible.

At night time it is very difficult to discern whether a bunch of people wandering in the woods are 15yr kids or terrorist pigs. Ofcourse the pakistanis will always argue that the soldiers should establish identity before taking action. But realistically speaking , for a BSF trooper crouching at the ambush site, its a simple choice of kill or be killed....

vicky007 · 08-05-2005, 08:48 AM

what about the Lives of these Bangladeshi Kids butchered by the Pakistani Army?

bull · 08-05-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

The soldiers are intentionally murdering them since it serves their means, to break the Kashmiris.

Its been rpoven all the around the world that unrest increases if such acts are undertaken.What do you think of kashmiris they are stupids who cannot deal with these things,that they will be frightened by such killings. No they have seen their children,mother and fathers been killed in past 16 years of insurgency.Still they continue with their lives in aBOLD way.the markets are crowded,dal lake has got its boats back.

IA is not a stupid as to kill children to break insurgency,thats clear when they accepted it as grave mistake and by issuing an inquiry onto the whole incident.There was no effort on the parst of IA to cover up the story,no one feels happy of such incidents.We share the same sorrow and grief of those who lost their dear and near ones.Bcoz they are one among us

Asim Aquil · 08-05-2005, 14:02 PM

Well judging from this article, and from what I've seen of parents, when it comes to their kids, everything else is secondary. Perhaps even freedom. Thats going to be India's dirty tactic in Kashmir from now on, just wait and see.

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08-03-2005, 21:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
konkerer Banished Join Date: 04-26-05 Posts: 373	Irene Khan of Amnesty is a terrorist sypathasier, as long as she is at helm of Amnesty, no body will give a fcuk to what Amnesty says. As far a the three boys killed, no doubt it was a tragic event, but it was not intentional, since they were walking in militant infested wooded area in the night, and did not stop when asked by troops to do so, instead they started running away, which sealed their fate. Running away from the troops was a wrong thing to do. Army paid compensation to for the deceased and also the Corps commander expressed regret for the unfortunate deaths, stating that people anger was justified in this case. On the average army kills anywhere between 5 - 10 terrorists with hardly any protest from the population, but mistakes like these draws widespread protest from the population. Tragic though it might be, incidents like these do happen in a terrorist war zone.

08-03-2005, 22:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	naah, thats not enough. There are just no words, Konkerer. You've got to stop killing children, get killed if it may be, but the children shouldn't die. Thats how the equation goes when it comes to children, in almost all cultures.

08-03-2005, 23:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Su-47MKI Banished Join Date: 06-05-05 Posts: 146	So...it is ok for Jihadis to kill children in their terrorist attacks, but when soldiers accidentally kill innocent children while trying to protect the general population from the Jihadis, it is wrong? What is this double standard that you Pakistanis go by? I see you people screaming at the Indian army because 3 children were accidentally killed...but none of you criticize Jihadis for killing thousands of innocent civilians every year. I'm not saying that it is right to kill innocent children for ayn reason..but if you are going to criticize people for doing so accidentally, you should also be criticizing the ones who do so on purpose.

08-04-2005, 23:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	The soldiers are intentionally murdering them since it serves their means, to break the Kashmiris.

08-04-2005, 23:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Samudra *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-01-04 Location: North London Posts: 4,432 Country:	Yawn.

08-05-2005, 00:14 AM	#9 (permalink)
Vaman Banished Join Date: 11-06-03 Posts: 1,043	It was a accident, now being exploited by motivated people. Much like the London shooting of the argentinian person. FACT: AS far as India is concerned, there will not be any change.. not ow, not ever. Doesnt matter how much the paksitanis and lahoris whine.

08-05-2005, 00:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
667medic *Military Professional* Join Date: 07-22-05 Posts: 1,532 Country:	RIP to the departed souls. 3 innocent children die because of mistaken identity and the Pakistanis find a reason to mastrubate. If you guys are so sincere about the loss of innocent lives, rein in the terrorist pigs first. The IA probably has better things to do than to go around killing children. As long as the terrorist pigs keep infiltrating to achieve their misguided aims of screwing 72 virgins, sadly innocent lives will continue to be lost. Having said that, I sincerely hope that the IA will take pains to warn people about wandering around in the areas frequented by terrorist pigs.

08-05-2005, 14:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Well judging from this article, and from what I've seen of parents, when it comes to their kids, everything else is secondary. Perhaps even freedom. Thats going to be India's dirty tactic in Kashmir from now on, just wait and see.

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