Invasion and illegal annexation of Tibet: 1949-1951 - Page 8

dave lukins · 04-10-2008, 12:37 PM

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Or you visit the 'Club' (the name escapes me, the one to which you make annual pilgrimage, and then blame it all on your wife).

Ah wait..that doesn't count...there ain't no women there!

kams, a bit below the belt..no pun intended

Ray · 04-10-2008, 15:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdude

Who are you to tell others if it's right or not? It's a legal military operation within China's territory.

Very legal indeed.

A nuclear bomb would have have been more 'legal'!

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A theocracy, no matter how old it is, should be weeded out. Yeah, we are stripping it of its culture... Tibetan kids study national language in Mandarin. That's so evil.. wait... Am I arguing with an Indian in English or what?

I am against theocracy, but lets see it that is applied. I don't observe theocracy with Tibetans out of Tibet!

No, you are not debating with him in English. He is conversant with Cantonese and he thinks you are using Farsi!!

Deltacamelately · 04-11-2008, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The difference is that the British Empire and later the United States guarranteed Kuwait and Iraqi Independence. No one guarranteed Tibetan Independence.

Nonetheless, The British did deal with the Tibetans as an independent nation, isnt that legitimate enough? A treaty was signed between Tibet and Great Britain on September 7, 1904. Further during the British invasion Tibet conducted her affairs as an independent country.
Also, in Jan 1913 a bilateral treaty was signed between Tibet and Mongolia at Urga. In that treaty both countries declared themselves free and separate from China. The 13th Dalai Lama in January 1913, issued a formal declaration of complete independence of Tibet.
Sir, if this can not establish the legitimacy of a nation, then what does???

Deltacamelately · 04-11-2008, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

No, you are not debating with him in English. He is conversant with Cantonese and he thinks you are using Farsi!!

ROFLMAO.

Ray · 04-11-2008, 06:01 AM

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Sir,
This kind of inheritance per say could have been within the legal ambit of imperialistic or medivial times. But, it is TOTALLY ILLEGAL to annex a nation in the times we or may be even our fathers lived. PRC invaded Tibet in the 50s quoting the inheritance rights from the Qing Dynasty.
So how was Saddam wrong in invading Kuwait, citing history old claims???
Would India be right in invading and annexing wetern Afghanistan quoting the Mauryan Empire? Or may be Iran annexing Iraq quoting Darius?

Invasion in essence is illegal and besmirches of unwarranted hostility. No amount of legal shadowboxing can grant it legitimity. And ofcource, these are my personal views.

The difference is that the British Empire and later the United States guarranteed Kuwait and Iraqi Independence. No one guarranteed Tibetan Independence.

I remind you that before the Kuwait War, Saddam tried to annex Kuwait once before. He was deterred when the British deployed a battle group to Kuwait.

I also remind you that no one guarranteed Chechen Independence.

It is true that US and other guaranteed the legitimacy of Kuwait and that none can do so in Chechnya.

Yet, it in no way indicate the morality or lack of it of the same countries to not extend it to Tibet. I include India too!

But, find oil and you will see the difference!!

Still having seen the bombardment of the Chinese posters and their implied nuances, could there be more than Dalai Lama behind this show?

Could it be that there are unseen powerful forces behind all this and that independence is near?

There are good reasons as to why Tibet and Xinjiang are beyond the shackles of China!!

Indeed, good reasons.

Deltacamelately · 04-12-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

It is true that US and other guaranteed the legitimacy of Kuwait and that none can do so in Chechnya.

Yet, it in no way indicate the morality or lack of it of the same countries to not extend it to Tibet. I include India too!

But, find oil and you will see the difference!!

Still having seen the bombardment of the Chinese posters and their implied nuances, could there be more than Dalai Lama behind this show?

Could it be that there are unseen powerful forces behind all this and that independence is near?

There are good reasons as to why Tibet and Xinjiang are beyond the shackles of China!!

Indeed, good reasons.

Sir,
whatever the Han Chinese think about an average Indian's sympathy towards a Tibetan and Tibet's independence, I personally feel that an independent Tibet is in the interest of evryone and Tibet should at best be truely free. Together with its pristine beauty and centralized location would make a marvelous tourist destination and can serve as the dead end of the road of hostility and suspicion on which the two asian giants have traversed for 4 decades.

Xiaohaha · 04-12-2008, 09:37 AM

How free is a Buddhist theocracy?

Kansas Bear · 04-12-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiaohaha

How free is a Buddhist theocracy?

Do they own tanks?

**Officer of Engineers** · 04-12-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deltacamelately

Sir, if this can not establish the legitimacy of a nation, then what does???

The only one that does throughout history - an army.

Skywatcher · 04-12-2008, 13:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

It is true that US and other guaranteed the legitimacy of Kuwait and that none can do so in Chechnya.

Yet, it in no way indicate the morality or lack of it of the same countries to not extend it to Tibet. I include India too!

But, find oil and you will see the difference!!

Still having seen the bombardment of the Chinese posters and their implied nuances, could there be more than Dalai Lama behind this show?

Could it be that there are unseen powerful forces behind all this and that independence is near?

There are good reasons as to why Tibet and Xinjiang are beyond the shackles of China!!

Indeed, good reasons.

I've heard they've found oil and vast mineral deposits in Tibet now.

How does that change matters? (But please don't bring up Clive Cussler. The man's work has gone downhill since Atlantis Found)

Deltacamelately · 04-14-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The only one that does throughout history - an army.

Sir,
If so, then let's stop talking about legitimate and illegitimate claims and start talking about raw military might. And I suppose a debate on how Tibet can regain its freedom from PRC with the help of external armed might would make a very interesting reading.

Adux · 04-14-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Deltacamelately

Sir,
If so, then let's stop talking about legitimate and illegitimate claims and start talking about raw military might. And I suppose a debate on how Tibet can regain its freedom from PRC with the help of external armed might would make a very interesting reading.

Near Impossible without the economic collapse of China as well as the negation of their nukes.

Adux · 04-14-2008, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiaohaha

How free is a Buddhist theocracy?

So you invade them and subjugate them!!!!!
If your intentions was pure why annex them, you would given the power back to the people.China is an imperial nation, make no doubt

nonameitis · 04-14-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Adux

So you invade them and subjugate them!!!!!
If your intentions was pure why annex them, you would given the power back to the people.China is an imperial nation, make no doubt

i am very surprised to see that you call our chinese country as a king country, really, i wish i can see a real king, before in spain,i was dreaming to have a visit to the king or queen,......but sad,why our china not have a king,all of us need to take care of ourselves and nobody come to force me to do this,to do that.....oh,so much i dream to have a king!

Adux · 04-14-2008, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nonameitis

i am very surprised to see that you call our chinese country as a king country, really, i wish i can see a real king, before in spain,i was dreaming to have a visit to the king or queen,......but sad,why our china not have a king,all of us need to take care of ourselves and nobody come to force me to do this,to do that.....oh,so much i dream to have a king!

If you intend to speak to me, do it atleast a comprehensible english. Use firefox it has a dictionary in it.

Imperalism doesnt have to be Monarchy led, it is a state of mind and policies that can be done by a communist or democratically elected government. You have no freedom to choose King or a leader that is of your choice if you want to, we can

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