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Old 06-23-2005, 23:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rove Hit the Nail on the Head; Dems Complain

Democrats Call for Rove To Apologize
He Decried Liberals' Response to 9/11

By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 24, 2005; A01

Democratic leaders angrily demanded a retraction from White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove yesterday after he accused liberals of responding with restraint and timidity to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but White House and Republican officials rallied to his defense and rebuffed calls for an apology.

Democrats accused Rove, President Bush's top political strategist, of impugning their patriotism, misrepresenting the support they gave Bush after terrorists hit the United States and demeaning the memories of victims. Republicans accused Democrats of overreacting to what they said were accurate characterizations of reactions among some liberals and of having defended slanderous statements against the U.S. military.

In a speech to the New York state Conservative Party on Wednesday night in Manhattan, Rove offered his view of the philosophical differences between liberals and conservatives. He cited the liberal group MoveOn.org and filmmaker Michael Moore, but he criticized only two politicians by name: Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.).

But as the controversy grew yesterday, other Republicans issued statements in support of Rove that cited such Democrats as Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), the 2004 presidential nominee; Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.); and Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (Ohio).

The acrimonious exchanges came just two days after Durbin bowed to Republican-led pressure and apologized for comparing the treatment of prisoners at the Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba to techniques used by the Nazis and the Soviets. Together, the episodes underscored the growing harshness and rising political stakes of the debate over national security at a time of declining support for Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq and pressure on him to outline a strategy for success there.

Rove's remarks were reported in yesterday's New York Times and in wire service reports, and by yesterday morning they had quickly exploded into the latest political battle between the parties.

In his speech, Rove said no issue better illustrated the philosophical difference between liberals and conservatives than national security. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war," he said in a prepared text released by the White House. "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

Rove went on to say that conservatives wanted to "unleash the might and power" of the military against the Taliban in Afghanistan, while liberals wanted to submit petitions. He cited a petition he said was backed by MoveOn.org that called for "moderation and restraint" in responding to the attacks.

"I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the twin towers crumble to the earth, a side of the Pentagon destroyed and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble," he said, according to the text. "Moderation and restraint is not what I felt -- and moderation and restraint is not what was called for. It was a moment to summon our national will -- and to brandish steel. MoveOn.org, Michael Moore and Howard Dean may not have agreed with this, but the American people did."

Rove, who was criticized in 2002 for vowing that Republicans would reap political gains on national security, took special aim at Durbin. "Al Jazeera now broadcasts to the region the words of Senator Durbin, certainly putting America's men and women in uniform in greater danger," he said. "No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."

The Democratic counterattack was led by the party's two top leaders in Congress. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) said, "Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks, or he should resign." House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said Rove "has decided to move to center stage in the theater of the absurd. He knows full well, as do all Americans, that our country came together after 9/11."

Dean accused Rove of trying to divide the country with "cynical political attacks," while Kerry said Bush should fire Rove if he believes his own calls for national unity.

Hypocrite

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) called Rove's remarks "appalling" and "saddening," while Sen. Jon S. Corzine (D-N.J.) said that, after the Sept. 11 attacks, "we weren't divided. There were no liberals, progressives . . . saying that we did not have a need to respond."

I bet I can find one

Corzine referred to the House and Senate votes after the terrorist attacks authorizing Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" to respond. The Senate approved the measure 98 to 0, and the House endorsed it 420 to 1.

Oh look, I did. She represented the 11% of the population that didn't support the Afghan war. That's about a third of the Democratic base.

Eli Pariser, executive director of the MoveOn political action committee, accused Rove of attempting to "change the subject away from their failed policy in Iraq" in advance of Bush's speech next week. He also disputed Rove's characterization of the petition calling for moderation and restraint, saying that the petition was a personal project before he was affiliated with MoveOn and that it was not on the group's Web site at the time of the Afghanistan war.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan, asked whether the president would ask Rove for an apology, responded, "Of course not." He added: "If people want to try to engage in personal attacks instead of defending their philosophy, that's their business."

Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said a litany of comments by Democratic elected officials and their liberal allies underscored Rove's point. "It is outrageous," he said, "that the same Democratic leaders who refused to repudiate or criticize Dick Durbin's slandering of our military are now attacking Karl Rove for stating the facts. . . . Karl didn't say the Democratic Party. He said liberals."

Research editor Lucy Shackelford contributed to this report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301727_pf.html
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Old 06-23-2005, 23:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I love it. Rove correctly calls the facts and the Dems act like somebody snapped their collective bra straps. How long before somebody cries on the Senate floor now? Disgusting cowards.

Give me a break. Liberals have no balls when it comes to national security and foreign policy. They've been screaming defeatism and support for the enemy ever since this whole thing began.

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Old 06-23-2005, 23:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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They most certainly have.

Have you spit on a pacifist today?
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Old 06-24-2005, 00:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Corzine referred to the House and Senate votes after the terrorist attacks authorizing Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" to respond. The Senate approved the measure 98 to 0, and the House endorsed it 420 to 1.
Ok so there is a ***** in the house that is a member of the Democratic party...
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Looks like Rove is trying to copy Dean in the isults game.
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Looks like Rove is trying to copy Dean in the isults game.
But his insults are true.
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Ok so there is a ***** in the house that is a member of the Democratic party...
The district she's from contains Berkley, CA. Which just happens to be were I was born.
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But his insults are true.
I am sooo looking forward to watching you guys next elections, it's gonna have to be the biggest sh:tfight yet.
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I am sooo looking forward to watching you guys next elections, it's gonna have to be the biggest sh:tfight yet.
No just another painful beat down for the Dems.
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Rove really is brilliant. He correctly calculated the effect this would have, coming as it does on the heels of Durbin's disgusting smear. The Democrats were searching for some way to get back on offense, and Rove looked like he was hangin' a slow curve over the outside corner of the plate. When the Democrats teed off on it, the trap slammed shut.

He KNEW what they were going to do, and they totally took the bait. Watch as the White House keeps this alive, because it could not get the point across any better that Rove was CORRECT, and with the Democratic Party falling all over themselves to be offended when Rove attacks LIBERALS - but not Democrats, per se - they have effectively identified themselves exactly that way he wanted them to...

He's a GOD.

Sell your Democratic Party stock ASAP, people - it's headed down AGAIN, and '06 is probably going to be a slaughterhouse.
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The district she's from contains Berkley, CA. Which just happens to be were I was born.
Born in BERKELEY, living in BOSTON?!?

How the hell did you manage to turn out so NORMAL?
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Ok so there is a ***** in the house that is a member of the Democratic party...

More than ONE, mate.
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Born in BERKELEY, living in BOSTON?!?

How the hell did you manage to turn out so NORMAL?
You can blame youthful rebellion
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The anti-hippie. Cool, man.
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More than ONE, mate.
One that voted againist the war in Afghanistan.

Seems like the reps are trying to make a strawman sort of the perfect "liberal" to trash...
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