Bluesman

WABers, behold in Sombra exactly what we conservatives have been trying to warn everybody about:

A liberal mindset that trusts in the efficacy, efficiency, motives, competence and morality of government forces, but distrusts the citizen - free-born, intelligent, sovereign over his body, mind and property - to conduct himself without regulating every single aspect of his existence, including his goddam' cooking utensils.

God forbid these people EVER convince Americans - REAL Americans, I mean - that we need 'em to smooth the sharp edges off of OUR knives...and OUR LIVES.

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Anon

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Only for my sake and curiosity.... Still active soldier? Or did you have to leave due to mental instability?"

Nope, been out ages. Ironically enough, to do what i did, you needed a psych cert. So i'm pretty sure i'm quite sane.

I can tell you this...the US Gov't not only gave me implements FAR more destructive than a kitchen knife, but also saw fit to train me to a high level of proficiency in said weapons. If i wanted to kill, no amount of bans on otherwise harmless objects would stop me.

Not for a second.

I bet that just unnerves the hell out of your liberal behind too.

Parihaka

Roger that, I distrust all Governments by definition and hearing somebody say "there should be a law against it" makes me head for the door, but just one question, aren't you part of "government forces"?

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Sombra

Funny, as I think my distrust to the motives of the government runes much deeper as yours. If my government started suddenly wars all over the world, limits my freedon or suddenly declares most of the press as "leftie liberals and nearly as traitors" well then I would distrust and ask much miore question.

Though the last answer tro the discussion is :"give me my toys (knives+guns+rocketlaunchers whatever) and I am adult enough to use them"?

Sombra

Thanks for the answer. No it unnerves the hell out of me that even after you left you have acess to highly destructive weapons.
As you said you have been trained and usally as you showed in other threads youn know quite well what is a weapon for. How many times do you use a 20 inch blade for cooking again?

Bluesman

We haven't started any wars. We intend to finish a few, though.

And I haven't had my freedoms limited by my government lately, either.

And if the shoe fits an entire class of people that lie, misrepresent, and distort in order to work against our national objectives, then they're just going to have to get some new business cards and stationery: "Howell Raines, Traitor-in-Chief, New York Times"; "Dan Rather, Lefty Liberal Reporter, CBS News".

Finally, to address your last point, we have an entire Amendment in our beloved Constitution that guarantees that my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, so YES, the government should assume that I am adult enough to use them, until I demonstrate otherwise, at which time the government will have a right and a positive duty to disarm me. You, on the other hand, have no such right; you are not trusted by your masters.

That is why my system is better than yours: I grant the government its rights, not the other way around...like yours.

dalem

So Sombra -

What kinds of tools and weapons do you feel it is proper for private citizens to own? Chainsaws? Sharp scissors? Guns? Bricks? Ball bats? Large flashlights? Meat cleavers?

-dale

Sombra

Quite simple all tools which have legitimate use in your private lives and there is no better alternatives.

Simply put if most people need long sharp knives in there kitchen, well you cannot prevent the missue of tools 100%. If 99,99999% never use the kind of knives for cooking and there are many incidents with stabbing using these kind of knives . Yes I am in favor to take a look at their design to see if I get the same funktionality in the kitchen for example with a blunted tip.

guns no sir sorry to much misuse in comparrison which a legal use . For example sports but as long as the americans stay in their country and kill themselves go on.

Sombra

Ahemm sure your not fighting right now a war in the Iraq....

Bluesman

We sure are, and successfully, too.

But we didn't start it.

Amled

Sombra look at it realistically.
People kill people, hurt them, maim them. The implement used is irrelevant. If they want to do it they’ll find the means. A few years ago we had two biker gangs up here having a turf war where they even used RPG’s against ach other, and even now there are criminal gang members who habitually use firearms. If they were denied firearms they would surely find something else, be it knives, stones or even pillows.
What I’m getting at, is that by focusing on prohibiting the implements involved, attention is taken away from the real issue of prevention.
Prohibitions don’t work, never have. There have been prohibitions against drinking, people drank anyway.. The same with drugs. The same with firearms. It will be the same with regulations having to do with edged and pointed implements.

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dalem

Who defines "legitimate" in each case?

Blunt tip? So I just slash a throat with it instead?

Most people never need to drive faster than 70mph, should we limit availability of fast cars to private citizens? In fact, in urban settings why should it even be possible to own a car in the first place? If you need to drive outside the city you can rent. What about cardboard boxes that can hold more than 25lbs? We could save a lot of back injuries if boxes were mandated to shred at 25lbs. Same with pencils - pencils are pretty sharp - we could make them illegal because we have pens.

So how is the criterion of Too Much Misuse in Comparison With a Legal Use defined? Who defines it?

-dale

barrowaj

What the hell is so dumb about restricting the sale of long pointed kitchen knives if they have no practical purpose, but facilitate drunken stabbings?

The people who are up in arms about this are misrepresenting the case, and trying to make it sound like the doctors would want all kitchen knives banned. That's not what the doctors are calling for. They are asking for a dangerous yet useless feature of a product to be discontinued. Don't be a moron and try to turn their point into some discussion about "knife control."

Bluesman

Sorry we upset you, Comrade Nanny. Should we all do a self-criticism to the Central Committee, or are we all to be purged without trial?

Bluesman

See, what we're on about is the overweening aspects of a bloated super-state that wants to make us all oh-so-safe from ourselves, and would just love to get us all to take your point of view that it's for our own good that our cutlery drawer has to be in compliance with code.

But may your chains rest lightly upon you, slave-at-heart. The rest of us will just go ahead and try to survive the mayhem that is to be found in our blood-soaked but free kitchens.

Last thing: if it was an unneeded feature, don't you think that the free market would've been selling out of the blunt-point kitchen knife that is so safe and obviously superior? Of cours they would. But that market just hasn't really caught on, has it? One has to wonder why...