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Old 05-29-2005, 18:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Ah, but sociologists and psychologists probably weren't at the focus group.

There are only so many red braces to go around.
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Old 05-30-2005, 06:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Though beside the argument "That I like the long pointy knives, I like the NRA, I like weapons" what else is there as a good reason for them?

How amny times do you use these kind of tools and what for?

As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort.
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:29 AM   #18 (permalink)
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As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort.
The most deadly tool of mankind is the words that pour forth from his/her mouth.....put a rein on it......and "tools" would not enter the scene near so often and would not be used so aggressively. I therefore beg to differ with the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me" theory.
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:45 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Though beside the argument "That I like the long pointy knives, I like the NRA, I like weapons" what else is there as a good reason for them?
How amny times do you use these kind of tools and what for?
As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort.
Let's be realistic.
I don't know about you but I like my kitchen utensils to be useful. Ever try to core an apple or a pepperfruit or try to cut a tomato with a blunt dull knife. It turns into an exercise in futility.
Not to mention trying to cut a steak or any other piece of meat. Of course we could always gum it to death, because the next thing these geniuses would ban would be our teeth, as being dangerous to the public well being.
Prohibitions are inherently useless. That's been proven time and time again. Be it drugs, sex, booze or rock and roll, or in this case doing grevious bodily harm to another being. If they want it or want to do it, the'll find a way. You might make it harder, but they'll find a way.
It's the nature of the beast.
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Though beside the argument "That I like the long pointy knives, I like the NRA, I like weapons" what else is there as a good reason for them?

How amny times do you use these kind of tools and what for?

As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort.
If there wasn't a knife around they'd uses something else. A person who want to kill someone will get pretty resourceful. A screwdriver or a wrench could (and have) be used as a murder weapon. If everything was banned except foam padding, they'd still find a way. A gun or a pointed knife doesn't make a person want to go out and kill people, bad internal wiring does.
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Old 05-30-2005, 11:33 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Though beside the argument "That I like the long pointy knives, I like the NRA, I like weapons" what else is there as a good reason for them?

How amny times do you use these kind of tools and what for?
What do you use a kitchen knife for? Are you kidding? YOU CUT FOOD!
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Old 05-30-2005, 13:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Though beside the argument "That I like the long pointy knives, I like the NRA, I like weapons" what else is there as a good reason for them?

How amny times do you use these kind of tools and what for?

As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort.
The point is that everything in my kitchen is potentially dangerous. Knives, metal collanders, glass tumblers, spoons, drawers, lamps, coffee pots, frozen tupperware bowls of spaghetti sauce, dishtowels, dog food bowls, serving spoons, butter knives, bread knives, dinner plates, cutting board, etc.

And that's just my KITCHEN. I haven't even started in on my basement or garage.

The most dangerous things on the planet are PEOPLE. Drunken angry peiople with no restraint are an especially dangerous subcategory. The idea of selectively restricting objects that drunken angry people can grab in their little pink patty paws one by one is a fool's errand, and I personally think that anyone who supports that kind of thinking should not be permitted to breed.

It's assinine pacifistic cowardly crap like that that has spiralled us into the arms of dementia, some cultures more than others.

You know what would have happened to the average drunken person who grabbed a knife 50 years ago? Someone would have socked him in the jaw and laid him out. The next day there would be a story that would either be embarrassing or legendary, depending on the circumstances. Nowadays everyone (including myself) has been raised to be a wimp, and the laws have been constricted to encourage it. Now there is caution and indignance and fear and if someone grabs a knife it will end in either lawsuits or felony assault charges or multiple injuries and deaths.

Because of people like you. Fagh! Disgusting.

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Old 05-30-2005, 13:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Its a bunch of researchers , people. Some perspective?

Not eveything you read comes to pass, not everything that turns up on a forum is going to happen.

The best thing that will come out of this is people will say "actually perhaps this and this might be better in the design of said knives".

There is no way that kitchen knives are going to be banned.

Jeez, it doesn't seem to be only the knives that fly off the handle around here.
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Old 05-30-2005, 13:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Somehow, this topic reminds me of the woman who sued McDonalds for her coffee being too hot. Oh yeah, and the lawsuit for the beef patties containing too much fat.

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Old 05-30-2005, 13:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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There is no way that kitchen knives are going to be banned.
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Old 05-30-2005, 13:24 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I am sure that the researchers' documents and the reporters words are enough to carry legislation through parliament. I mean, lets be totally truthful here, what we all want is legislation through "phone vote". Or better yet the immediacy of interactive TV. That red button could turn every decision into a referendum. Surely that is the only way forward.
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Old 05-30-2005, 13:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Its a bunch of researchers , people. Some perspective?
Well, it was research like this that cost you your right to own a firearm, and defend your home against attackers. I wonder how many chefs they had to talk to before they found ten that said pointed knives were not useful in the kitchen? Lol, ever try to fillet a salmon with a 3" paring knife? Maybe carve a turkey or roast?
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The best thing that will come out of this is people will say "actually perhaps this and this might be better in the design of said knives".
Yep, like short blades with rounded tips and dull edges. Oh, yeah, we already have those, we call them butter knives.

In knives especially, form follows function- there is a reason a fillet knife is shaped the way it is, the same goes for french knives, boning knives, slicers, etc. You can't legislate this function. I will tell you this- if such legislation were to be passed, accidents in the kitchen would only increase as people were forced to use knives for purposes that they weren't suited to.
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There is no way that kitchen knives are going to be banned.
Well, the comments from Government officials sounded pretty hopeful to me. You already have 17 classes of banned knives already, what's a few more?

Honestly, I can't for the life of me understand how you guys put up with this.
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Old 05-30-2005, 14:31 PM   #28 (permalink)
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"As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort."

What an idiot.

How much effort would it take to just bash you over the head with a brick?

Gonna ban bricks too dumbasss?
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"As for the aggression theory if there are no deadly weapons around you canīt use or at least you have to make a much bigger effort."

What an idiot.

How much effort would it take to just bash you over the head with a brick?

Gonna ban bricks too dumbasss?
LOL....and NOBODY is going to ban my 10" cast iron frying pan (I hit my drunken ex-husband over the head with it right before I headed out the front door the last time).
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You already have 17 classes of banned knives already, what's a few more?
Exactly. It's easy to increase prohibitions.
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