hallo84

I quite understand that this is not a free forum and have read the rules! what i mean was that everyone have a right to express their ideas but M21Sniper seem to have nothing intellegent to say and rather smeer at what logical explanation is given to him!

Don't put word in my mouth... I didn't call him a ignorant bastard... i said he was ignorant of what's happening around him. Honestly he is a mouthy one isn't he?


Yes I can repect that...and I'm fine with it. Doesn't mean every canadian or american for that matter suppotrs what washington is doint though.
But it seem this forum has a funny way of curbing their voices...

troung

Not another China can take Taiwan and beat the USA from a standing start...

Officer of Engineers

1st of all, both M21Sniper and I are former military and we had had this arguement about the ML-TW War crap over a 100 times and we each have more than 100 times explain how the internet views (which is all yours btw) are 100% completely wrong. An Operations Officer you are not. In fact, you're not even a PLA watcher. All the theories you've put forth were put forth by Western observers, not what the PLA has said and not what the PLA is saying. So, the fact that we feel smug about our answers is because in my case, I have studied the PLA for over 14 years.

You're stuffing words into your own mouth. Where did I say you say that?

He's a WAB esteemed member, you are not. You do not have the privledge that he enjoys.

It's call standing up for what you believe. With the freedom of speech comes the freedom to argue ... and also the freedom to ignore. You're free to debate him and you're free to leave this forum but you are not free to act uninvited craplayer.

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Chimo

Leader

Privilege not right.

You have created a very nice straw man there. Tell me who in this forum believes that "every Canadian or American for that matter supports what Washington is doing though?" If you can't find anyone, I suggest you stop repeating it as if you’re making a valid point.

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troung

Seeing as no one here curbs me...

And I rarely agree with the others...

hallo84

So what if you were in the military it does not make your point more right or mine wrong. How do you assume that I'm not a PLA watcher? That's the mistake of the internet because we cannot meet someone in person we automatically take assumptions...

CCP have no intentions of going to war and you know it... not because of operations capabilities but because it will damage hard earned trade and frankly Taiwan isn't worth it! So this explains why PLA ops for missiles to introduca a very reliable threat instead of going to war!
Yet we are having this argument about its effectiveness eventhough you have never been to or seen a PLA unit...your lack of insight to PLA based on your views of the west (my assumption)

you quote being "We don't go charging into your house calling you an ignorant bastard. We expect and demand the same courtesy here." I'm assuming you mean i'm charging into your house calling you an ignorant bastard

Now you make me wonder at the criteria it take to become a esteemes member...



Exactly what i'm doing but it seems this is your exclusive privledge

Leader

Who said you could speak?

troung

Sorry I will lurk around until you guys need someone to agrue with...

I guess "Hallo84" will be my replacement...

Taiwan is not "worth" it because of the lack of capability...

And the whole standing start invasion arguement is a joke. That is simply a recipe to fail...

Leader

LOL

Officer of Engineers

It makes mine more realistic. I've humped mud for 8 months straight with a full pack. I know the limits of a soldier, of a company, of a battalion, of a brigade. I also know how my army expects a soldier to fight, a company to fight, a battalion, a regiment, and a brigade.

Because then, you would not have made the mistake of dismissing doctrinal development and what General Cao CaChuang had spent a decade developing. The WarZone Campaign is by far the most visionary doctrine in development since the People's War and you dismissed it out of hand.

What a load of horse crap! A party capable of shooting its own civilians (twice in its history, 8 times if you include the Tibettan uprisings) would not be deter by trade.

The conquest of Taiwan is a stated PLA mission, written in ALL its Defence White Papers. And the missiles belong to the Army, not the Air Force, nor the 2AC. By that context, it's not a terror weapon (reliable threat), it's a combat asset but I'll leave you to figure that one out.

Based on writings like Generals Cao and Biao and my visits to the Beijing Garrison and Mess and visits to the 38th and 39th Group Armies. Also, based upon the former American Defence Attaches to Beijing, USArmy Colonel Dennis Blasko and USAF Colonel Ken Allen.

Lastly but not least, studying the tactical operations of the PLA and watching evaluating their exercise, the largest being in Sept of 2000.

We expect you to act and behave like a guest.

Stay here long enough and have the backbone to take it as well as to give it.

You're not debating. You're stomping.

hallo84

Not a straw man...anyone that disagree you call commie sympathisers.

troung

Well no one has ever called me one...

Leader

A straw man is a type of logical fallacy in which you distort someone else's argument in order to defeat it. So yes you did create a straw man. Now that you have defeated an imaginary argument of your own creation, namely that others are arguing that all Canadians and Americans are supportive of Washington, you can take on a real one.

Are you in the habit of making things up? When did I call you a "commie symathiser?” You think I would have at least spelled “sympathizer” right when I did.

hallo84

Exacly proves you know what it takes to ba a good soldier...follow orders.


The WarZone Campaign is based on a hi-tech limited warfare and developed in lue of americans in the gulf war. where did I dismiss it? I said the gulf war was a learning curve for the Chinese. I'm sorry as I read in chinese originals and don't relate to the translations that well and can sent you some if you read chinese...
I said the Chinese won't invade before achieving air superiority and won't be in the context like a normandy invasion but small fist units which i'm sure being a attach you got to see in action? There are many papers from the defence university that state the same



... the CCP is changing and will continue to change and the representive figure of the old have all since retired. The CMC have mostly been refreshed. Their way of approaching Taiwan have also changed form the military threats of Premeir Jian to the hand and soft of Premeir Hu. With both the anti succession law and the historic visits of the opposition leader from Taiwan. Funny if you consider the KMT being the CCP's original foe during the civil war! People actually can protest the govenment in China as long as you don't make a big fuss out of it something that you could never have done in the past!

I did say the missile of PLA not 2nd artil... and who ever said terror weapon can't be a combat asset too? Look at Taiwan media and you'll see that almost everyday there is something about the 700 Chinese missiles!

You have your views and i have mine...



Fine i'll try to be softer ...



I will... it'll take more than that to get rid of me...


I appologize if i came on too hard!

Officer of Engineers

I retired with the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel. I was also a Brigade Operations Officer. I give orders. I organize combat at the brigade level. I also happen to be an expert at the Soviet and Chinese central planning at the regiment level. I can tell you what forces and and in what order they approach battle. Can you say the same?

Easy, when you say doctrines change quite frequently. They do not. It took well over a decade for the People's War to come into being. It stayed for decades. WZC is just being developed and it's going to stay for a long time.

That's where also proves that you're not a PLA watcher. You don't know who to watch and who to ignore. The military academies are not the PLA. While very valuable in providing insight, they are not the basis for policy. The PLA was not, is not, and will not be an air superiority force. They are a guns army. They neither want nor need air superiority.

The Democrazy Wall. The Hundred Flowers Campaign. Tianamen. Same crap, different day.

1st, try 450 missiles and with the projection of 75 added per year. However, I have not seen any new batteries since last year and the expansion may have already be stopped.

And this proves again, you're not a PLA watcher. Army assets are never used as terror weapons. They're too valuable for something else.

Mine happens to be supported by military experience (including combat) and study.

My thanks, it will make things alot easier and alot more fun.

This forum ain't for the feint of heart.

It's not me you should be concern with.