UN Envoy Confused on Stoning

Ray · 02-07-2005, 17:57 PM

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UN Envoy Confused on Stoning
By Hamid Reza Emadi

TEHRAN, Feb. 7--The United Nations Commission on Human Rights' special rapporteur on Violence Against Women was unable to make up her mind during an embarrassing press conference in Tehran on Sunday.
Yakin Erturk expressed hope that the directive introduced by Iran's judiciary on the moratorium on stoning would soon become a law "since incidents of stoning are reportedly continuing despite the directive."
In response to a question whether there is any authentic information of incidents of stoning, she said an Iranian woman, Jila Izadi, was stoned in the western city of Marivan.
"One case (of stoning) is Jila Izadi in Marivan, Kurdistan province," she said.
However, Jila appeared to have been acquitted a few minutes later when Erturk admitted she had made a mistake.
"I'm sorry, I must make a correction. I think we have mixed up cases. Please delete that information about Jila Izadi, she was sentenced, but was acquitted," the senior UN official said.
"Please do not quote the wrong information, I apologize for this."
The correction came after Iran Daily reminded her that stoning has remained only on paper and never put into practice in recent years. The special rapporteur responded to a question by Iran Daily on "how credible could reports coming out of the UN be in light of wrongdoings and reports of harassment by senior UN officials and staff."
If the UN is going to demand accountability from states, it would need to hold itself accountable as well, she stressed.
UN peacekeepers in Congo sexually abused and exploited women and girls, some as young as 13, according to a report released by a UN watchdog last month.
Sexual contact between peacekeepers and Congolese women and girls occurred regularly, usually in exchange for food or small sums of money, an investigation by the Office of Internal Oversight Services found.
Meeting African leaders at a summit in Abuja, Nigeria, on January 31, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan sounded the alarm about peacekeepers who abuse civilians and reiterated his call for swift punishment of such egregious behavior.
During her stay in Iran, the UN special rapporteur on Violence Against Women met representatives of the judiciary, the executive branch of the government and the parliament. She also met with women activists defending human rights, academicians, journalists and lawyers, women inmates in the high-security Evin Prison and families of victims of human rights violations.
"I'm encouraged by a number of positive developments, especially the higher number of girl students in higher education, said to be 62 percent of the total," she said.
Erturk, however, expressed serious concerns about the situation of prisoners in Iran.
"Concerning violence perpetuated or condoned by the state, I'm seriously concerned about arbitrary arrests and solitary confinements," she said, adding that some of the detainees are denied access to legal counsel.
Iranian women are subject to violence both at home and in society, she told reporters.
She urged Iranian judicial authorities to ensure transparency and provide dates and concrete procedures for the implementation of judicial reforms, which are now under study to help improve administration of justice for women.
http://www.payvand.com/news/

The otherwise more emancipated Shia are turning a leaf to be with the Jones i.e. the Sunnis.

Islam is getting to be under radical elements of late, notwithstanidng the denials and confusion. None went and checked the veracity from the woman who was said to have been stoned. Obviously, if it was not true, then that would have been reported through a statement from the woman.

Khalsa_starr · 02-07-2005, 20:15 PM

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The otherwise more emancipated Shia are turning a leaf to be with the Jones i.e. the Sunnis.

Islam is getting to be under radical elements of late, notwithstanidng the denials and confusion. None went and checked the veracity from the woman who was said to have been stoned. Obviously, if it was not true, then that would have been reported through a statement from the woman.

Why is it that it's happening? Is it poverty and oppresion? I don't understand why so many decide to turn into radicals - or maybe it's just tradition...

Ray · 02-08-2005, 05:06 AM

One of the reasons is that when there is nothing to do, then they require something to keep themselves occupied. This keeps the mind off from issues that are in flux in the individual's mind.

Radicalism because of poverty finds rationale in the above statement.

Oppression is a state of mind and and the dependent on the 'bringing up' of the child. If a child when he weeps gets something always to keep him 'happy', then this child when he grows up will not be able to face the harsh realties of life. He will feel oppressed and feel that the society is not giving him his due. He will be frustrated and will be 'ideal' to wed radicalism.

ChrisF202 · 02-08-2005, 07:25 AM

My history teacher told me that stoning people means filling a dumpster with rocks and dumping it on someone. Is this true or do they stand there and throw rocks at the condemed person?

Ray · 02-08-2005, 11:45 AM

I think that using a dumper would be painless to the victim.

Therefore, as they do in Mina during Hajj (stoning the Satan), it would be throwing individual stones. But then, I do not for sure.

Khalsa_starr · 02-08-2005, 15:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

One of the reasons is that when there is nothing to do, then they require something to keep themselves occupied. This keeps the mind off from issues that are in flux in the individual's mind.

Radicalism because of poverty finds rationale in the above statement.

Oppression is a state of mind and and the dependent on the 'bringing up' of the child. If a child when he weeps gets something always to keep him 'happy', then this child when he grows up will not be able to face the harsh realties of life. He will feel oppressed and feel that the society is not giving him his due. He will be frustrated and will be 'ideal' to wed radicalism.

So true!!! Poverty breeds radicalism - if only here was someway to bring jobs to them!

ChrisF202 · 02-08-2005, 16:28 PM

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I think that using a dumper would be painless to the victim.

Therefore, as they do in Mina during Hajj (stoning the Satan), it would be throwing individual stones. But then, I do not for sure.

Damn, thats even more inhumane then forgetting to wash the sponge before putting it on the head of the victim on the electric chair (if anyone has seen "The Green Mile" you will know what im talking about).

Ray · 02-08-2005, 16:40 PM

But I am not too sure how they stone.

barrowaj · 02-11-2005, 15:14 PM

I got stoned once in Palestine... er, wait, I think it was Amsterdam... now that you mention it, it was confusing...

Confed999 · 02-12-2005, 11:23 AM

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Poverty breeds radicalism - if only here was someway to bring jobs to them!

Sadly it's a catch-22, how can you employ a radical?

Ray · 02-12-2005, 14:23 PM

Confed,

You really ask difficult questions!

Indeed, how do you employ a radical.

A good question though.

I think you feed him and teach him in the madrassa so that he becomes a zombie. Then you kick in on his buttocks after a shot of heroin and he is off like a misguided missile driving a car bomb and kills himself !

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	One of the reasons is that when there is nothing to do, then they require something to keep themselves occupied. This keeps the mind off from issues that are in flux in the individual's mind. Radicalism because of poverty finds rationale in the above statement. Oppression is a state of mind and and the dependent on the 'bringing up' of the child. If a child when he weeps gets something always to keep him 'happy', then this child when he grows up will not be able to face the harsh realties of life. He will feel oppressed and feel that the society is not giving him his due. He will be frustrated and will be 'ideal' to wed radicalism.

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ChrisF202 *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-12-03 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 2,593 Country:	My history teacher told me that stoning people means filling a dumpster with rocks and dumping it on someone. Is this true or do they stand there and throw rocks at the condemed person?

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	I think that using a dumper would be painless to the victim. Therefore, as they do in Mina during Hajj (stoning the Satan), it would be throwing individual stones. But then, I do not for sure.

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	But I am not too sure how they stone.

02-12-2005, 14:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	Confed, You really ask difficult questions! Indeed, how do you employ a radical. A good question though. I think you feed him and teach him in the madrassa so that he becomes a zombie. Then you kick in on his buttocks after a shot of heroin and he is off like a misguided missile driving a car bomb and kills himself !

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