dalem

The question is not "are they able to drive a car?" - the question is "should they be given a valid form of ID to be used to gain access to services and areas in this country when they are not supposed to be here in the first place?" And the answer to THAT question is No. They are here ILLEGALLY.

-dale

Trooth

But surely you need an NI number or equivilant to get services (by which i assume you mean something provided for by the state - i.e. you)?

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dalem

Many places consider a valid DL to be a valid form of ID by default.

And let me point out again - they are here ILLEGALLY - anything they do should be ILLEGAL. In a perfect world they would all be deported instantly, but clearly it is not a perfect world. But to allow them legal status to be licensed in any way? Absurd.

-dale

Veni Vidi Vici

Nope there all in my county jail.

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Bluesman

I still think we should deport 'em and take all their stuff as soon as they're picked up.

Bet they's stop coming THEN.

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Officer of Engineers

I wonder would forcing them to watch 10 hours of Jerry Sringer or the OJ trials be a violation of their Human Rights?

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TexasOutlaw

I like the idea of the gentleman in Arizona who is taking volunteers to guard the border for 30 days per volunteer to stop the "foreign exchange students" from crossing...
I'd go if I could take my 7mm Mag with me

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Trooth

As you will note in my earlier post, i said that since they were here illegally anyway i doubted not having a driving license would stop them driving.

Which places take a driving license as ID by default? Surely what you are most concerned about is illegal immigrants sponging of your tax system, rather than hiring videos.

I don't think that western economies are actually fundamentally opposed to illegal immigrants. Agriculture, for instance, traditionally loves people who are prepared to work for next to nothing and have little in the way of employment rights. Which is of course one of the problems. Some poeple don't wna tthem in the country, others need them in the country.

Confed999

Allmost everywhere, including government services...

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Trooth

Surely an NI number would make more sense?

It seems all the illegal immigrants may be doing is highlighting a deficiency in government service provision control.

Confed999

We use the driver's licence number, or state ID number for people that don't drive.
Yeah, that's what was intended by the original statement. There's a problem, and while one side is trying to fix it, the other side is fighting the fix.

dalem

It's not about the darned driving. I don't care about the driving. What I care about is that a valid DL grants a weird quasi-state of being and tacit approval to people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

"Hi I'm here illegally - you know it and I know it. Now, can I please be granted legal status to operate a motor vehicle?" The fact that this also makes it easier for illegals to vote and it was proposed by a Democratic governor on hs way to being voted out of office should in no way influence anyone's opinion.

Sheesh.

-dale

SpartanKing

In Amsterdam city there are more "marriages" in the last year between gay couples than straight ones.

In parts of the country muslim students make up half the student population.

In the Dutch army they permit earings to be worn.

And now they "banned" their own flag ?

All in all, it's sad what the Dutch have become and even sadder what they'll end up. When will Europeans realise that many of the policies they have been following for decades and new radical ones they introduce will only destroy their societies and countries ?

Trooth

I agree they shouldn't be there, but there they are. So, either stop 'em getting in, or make sure that while they are there they can't sponge. I just find using a driver's license as proof of ID to get state services a bit, well mad, really.

ZFBoxcar

I think its that you can use a drivers license to get other documents which allow you access to services. In my anthropology class we studied illegal Mexican immigration California. I believe California's ID laws are more relaxed than other states, because the government of California realizes the reality of their situation demands flexibility since they won't keep immigrants out.