Chinese Leadership Unable To Control Neo Red Guards

Ray · 05-04-2008, 02:14 AM

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Paper No 2675

20-April-2008

CHINESE LEADERSHIP UNABLE TO CONTROL NEO RED GUARDS

By B. Raman

It is learnt that the Chinese leadership is facing difficulty in controlling the Neo Red Guards, who have let loose an anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign to protest against foreign support to the freedom struggle of the Tibetans and against the attacks on the Olympic Flame during its recent passage through London and Paris.

2. Whereas the protests in China are till now directed only against the French, the protests by the overseas Chinese are directed against the authorities of the UK, France and the US and the media of those countries. It is learnt that the protests inside China as well abroad are being sponsored and directed by the Ministry of Public Security, which is China's internal intelligence and security agency. Mr. Meng Jianzhu, the Minister for Public Security , is viewed by many as the head of the new group of Neo Red Guards, which is increasingly dictating the Tibet policy after the uprising began in Lhasa on March 10,2008, and from there spread to other Tibetan-inhabited areas of Tibet, Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan.

3. There have been demonstrations against the outlets of Carrefour, the French super-market chain, in Beijing and other Chinese cities. A campaign for an economic boycott of France and French products has also been launched by the Neo Red Guards.

4. Hundreds of overseas Chinese studying or working in the UK, France and the US have been mobilised to protest against the recent incidents in London and Paris during the passage of the Olympic Flame and against the attempts to organise similar incidents in San Francisco, which were, however, thwarted by the local authorities. The orchestrated Chinese anger against the Western media has been particularly concentrated against the CNN, which has been accused of anti-Beijing bias in its coverage.

5. According to reliable sources, the Chinese leadership is worried that if these protests continue, it may foul the atmosphere in the months leading up to the Beijing Olympics of August,2008. The Chinese leadership's dream of projecting the Games as a spectacular exercise in international harmony has been badly damaged. Its appeals for cooling the anti-foreigner campaign have had no effect so far. The Neo Red Guards are reportedly of the view that countering what they see as an international conspiracy to bring about a splitting-up of Tibet and Xinjiang from China is more important than holding the Olympics in harmony. They are, therefore, not worried about the likely adverse impact of their campaign on the Olympics.

6.As part of its Patriotic Re-education campaign, the Ministry of Public Security has ordered all Buddhist monasteries in the Tibetan-inhabited areas to fly the Chinese national flag side by side with their religious flag. The monks have been resisting this order. The number of arrests so far is estimated to be more than two thousand. These figures include those arrested for their suspected participation in the violent incidents after March 10, those detained as a preventive measure and those arrested for refusing to fly the Chinese national flag.

7. The orders issued by the Ministry of Public Security to fly the Chinese national flag do not apply to the places of worship of the Muslims in the Xinjiang province.

(The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. He is also associated with the Chennai Centre For China Studies. E-mail: seventyone2@gmail.com)

Chinese Leasdership Unable to Control Neo Red Guards:

This article caught my eye after I read the Colonel's comment that the CCP is more afraid of internal dissent than external.

Could there be some sort of a power struggle between those who still believe in Mao's Communism and the pragmatists?

Bigfella · 05-04-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

This article caught my eye after I read the Colonel's comment that the CCP is more afraid of internal dissent than external.

Could there be some sort of a power struggle between those who still believe in Mao's Communism and the pragmatists?

Sir,

I suspect that the 'Red Guards' reference alludes more to youthful fanaticism than interest in communist ideology.

As I read I wondered if the term 'Han Guards' might not more accurately convey the combination of forces being described.

xunil · 05-04-2008, 03:40 AM

Red Guards ? The writer must be live in 1970s. Mao's Communism is now only supported by Maoists in India and Nepal. There is no anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign in China, only anti-separatists and anti-terrorists protests.

Bigfella · 05-04-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

Red Guards ? The writer must be live in 1970s. Mao's Communism is now only supported by Maoists in India and Nepal. There is no anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign in China, only anti-separatists and anti-terrorists protests.

And which of the above is Carrefour?

Ray · 05-04-2008, 03:56 AM

There is no doubt that the Olympics and the rise of China as an economic powerhouse has done much for Han nationalism, having lived for decades as a Communist pariah and in the international doghouse.

Therefore, it is axiomatic that there will be hurt pride over the world's concern over Tibet as also the total screw up of the Chinese attempt to showcase the "triumphant" march of the Olympic Torch "sweeping the world off its feet"!

Hence, the dissent within China over perceived pussyfooting, pragmatic or otherwise, is but natural and internal forces inimical to the Hu regime would naturally cash in on this jingoistic resentment!!

That is what I think it is, but then I might be wrong!

Ray · 05-04-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

Red Guards ? The writer must be live in 1970s. Mao's Communism is now only supported by Maoists in India and Nepal. There is no anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign in China, only anti-separatists and anti-terrorists protests.

Not Red Guards.

Neo Red Guards.

Lot of difference, like Nazis and Neo Nazis!!

Anti foreigner not there?

What is happening with Carrefour?

There are adequate links to indicate anti foreigner sentiment, but here is just one from your Chinese newspaper:

German foundation reportedly behind anti-China protests
German foundation reportedly behind anti-China protests_English_Xinhua

xunil · 05-04-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Not Red Guards.

Neo Red Guards.

Lot of difference, like Nazis and Neo Nazis!!

Anti foreigner not there?

What is happening with Carrefour?

There are adequate links to indicate anti foreigner sentiment, but here is just one from your Chinese newspaper:

German foundation reportedly behind anti-China protests
German foundation reportedly behind anti-China protests_English_Xinhua

Does protests in front of Carrefours equal to anti-foreigners ?

Bigfella · 05-04-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

Does protests in front of Carrefours equal to anti-foreigners ?

You set the standard Xunil - the protests are anti-separatist or anti-terrorist. So, which is Carrefour, separatist or terrorist?

If it is neither, then what is the protest but part of a wave of anti-foreign Han hysteria?

xunil · 05-04-2008, 04:35 AM

You can say anti-Carrefour. Does that equal to anti-foreigners ? Carrefour is an enterprise, foreigners are poeple.

Bigfella · 05-04-2008, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

You can say anti-Carrefour. Does that equal to anti-foreigners ? Carrefour is an enterprise, foreigners are poeple.

Stop trolling and answer the question xunil.

Why is Carrefour the subject of protest. Because it is pro-separatist, because it is pro-terrorist or because it is owned by people from a nation whose leader dared to question China's behaviour in Tibet? (something Carrefour is not connected with as far as I know).

Ray · 05-04-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

Does protests in front of Carrefours equal to anti-foreigners ?

NO?

I wonder what it means.

I am sure it is not against Hans or is it?

I see a clear connection of the screw up of the Olympic Flame being disgrace without remorse in France and the protest!

If you feel otherwise, I sure would like to learn!!

Ray · 05-04-2008, 04:52 AM

If Carrefour is an enterprise, what have they done against China?

They want your money and are they foolish to bite the hand that feeds?

Can you come up with more plausible reasons than pathetic bleats?

xunil · 05-04-2008, 04:53 AM

I'm a bit confused. What's the meaning of anti-foreigners ?
Would you mind explain for me ? Thanks !!!

Ray · 05-04-2008, 04:58 AM

When you are cornered and speechless, the best way out is appear confused since the English language is so foreign and confusing!!

Stop being a chuchu!

Bigfella · 05-04-2008, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xunil

I'm a bit confused. What's the meaning of anti-foreigners ?
Would you mind explain for me ? Thanks !!!

Don't play dumb just because you have been caught out.

You claimed protests in China were only "anti-separatists and anti-terrorists."

An example has been provided of Han Chinese protesting against a foreign company that is not separatist or terrorist. How does this fit what you claim?

stop avoiding the question.

05-04-2008, 03:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 25,738 Country:	There is no doubt that the Olympics and the rise of China as an economic powerhouse has done much for Han nationalism, having lived for decades as a Communist pariah and in the international doghouse. Therefore, it is axiomatic that there will be hurt pride over the world's concern over Tibet as also the total screw up of the Chinese attempt to showcase the "triumphant" march of the Olympic Torch "sweeping the world off its feet"! Hence, the dissent within China over perceived pussyfooting, pragmatic or otherwise, is but natural and internal forces inimical to the Hu regime would naturally cash in on this jingoistic resentment!! That is what I think it is, but then I might be wrong!

05-04-2008, 04:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
xunil Patron Join Date: 03-27-08 Posts: 154	You can say anti-Carrefour. Does that equal to anti-foreigners ? Carrefour is an enterprise, foreigners are poeple.

05-04-2008, 04:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 25,738 Country:	If Carrefour is an enterprise, what have they done against China? They want your money and are they foolish to bite the hand that feeds? Can you come up with more plausible reasons than pathetic bleats?

05-04-2008, 04:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
xunil Patron Join Date: 03-27-08 Posts: 154	I'm a bit confused. What's the meaning of anti-foreigners ? Would you mind explain for me ? Thanks !!!

05-04-2008, 04:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 25,738 Country:	When you are cornered and speechless, the best way out is appear confused since the English language is so foreign and confusing!! Stop being a chuchu!

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