Ray

Cactus.

Lord Lukins is 007.

He knows many languages and he has my Regimental Battle Cry right - we do say "Bolo Hindustan ki Jai" as our Battle Cry!!

Of course, Hindustan is passe in other fields.

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

Officer of Engineers

Sir,

I am extremely angry with that perception and with the poster. For an idiot who have never stood up against communism who dared to criticize us who did is extremely insulting.

Truth be told, the Tibetans were worth squat all in the scheme of things. I am not willing to bleed for them when they're not willing to bleed for themselves. And frankly, the price we pay for ignoring them was well worth it. The PLA tied up 45 Soviet divisions and helped prevented WWIII. If Fulltank cannot appreciate that, then, he should be the 1st to step in front of of a firing line.

I did not ban him BUT I am NOT willing to allow him to insult me.

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Chimo

Blademaster

That's where you are wrong.

Check this out.

:: bharat-rakshak.com - The Consortium of Indian Military and Defence Websites ::

Tibetans have fought and bled and died for India after their homeland was taken.

Officer of Engineers

No, I'm not, Hitesh. Otherwise, they would be killing and being killed by the Chinese ... with or without India's help and blessings.

Blademaster

Well, frankly, some people in India do not share your perceptions and some of them will challenge you. To India, they have proven themselves and more than paid their dues.

Officer of Engineers

I don't doubt it and I don't doubt that they're extremely good soldiers but again, why are they not fighting in Tibet? There's only two reasons.

1) They're unable.

or

2) They're unwilling.

Blademaster

And don't forget that the Most of the Tibetan Army was wiped out. They practically fought to the last man allowing precious time for the government of Tibet and some of its people to escape to India.

For the next ten years, Tibetan freedom fighters waged guerrilla warfare against the PLA. It lasted all the way up to 1965 or such.

Officer of Engineers

You're contradicting yourself, Hitesh. You stated that they're extremely good fighters and now, you're saying they're unable to fight.

Blademaster

GOI will not let them fight. besides most of the military leadership were wiped out. For some reason, there is no military leadership among the tibetans. If there is, it must have been absorbed into the Indian army. Perhaps Ray, Lemontree, and Deltacomelately can shed some light on this.

Officer of Engineers

Like I said, if they were willing, they would do so with or without India's blessing.

Oh, there's leadership. Big time. The initial protests were co-ordinated. Let's also not forget two things

1) There is a substantial drug trade in Tibet

and

2) 1000 people walk into India every two weeks

Those things don't happen out of the blue. There is co-ordination and planning and despite all that hoopla about Chinese border brutality, the border is leaking big time - both ways. People are leaving and drugs are coming in.

So, the idea that the Tibetans are unable to fight is contradicted big time.

nebula82

Yes those zones were called Special Economic Zones (SEZs), and also included the cities of Shenzhen & Xiamen but obviously not Hong Kong. Hong Kong was never an SEZ because, well, the city was already a capitalist free-trade economy! Not to mention HK was a British colony back then too so it was under British-rule not Chinese-rule.

Nebula82.

Ray

The Govt of India wants friendly and fraternal relationship and coalesce the two great culture and civilisations of the world!!


I presume that would be the official statement!!

The SFF just cannot walk over and decide to take on the Chinese. It will affect the other non SFF Tibetans and India will not longer accept them!! Dalai Lama is well aware of the same and the Indian Foreign Minister told him so publicly. It is a different matter that the majority of Indians do not share the Foreign Ministers view!!

Ray

The Tibetan or SFF cannot just walk across into Tibet without the GoI's say so.

If they do so, they will upset the fine balance of Indo - China equation and GoI is very sensitive about the same.

If India is upset, the Tibetan will not longer enjoy the GoI's hospitality.

Therefore, the question of Tibetans doing things as they feel like is suspect!!

It must be realised that the Tibetans are no fools!!

In a totalitarian regime where there is the Thought Police and where it is encouraged and rewarded to report on your neighbours and you family, if indeed the Dalai Lama could coordinate the protests, it indicates the deep hatred for the Chinese. Deep hatred.

Why do I say - deep hatred?

It is said that was serfdom in Tibet before Communist China ''liberated" them. There is also no doubt that materialist comforts have come to Tibet.

Therefore, if life is such a Heaven, why should anyone complain?

Indeed, if some complains inspite of such wondrous achievement,then there is something that is seriously wrong.

There is. For the better or for the worse, the Tibetan refuse to sell their unique identity for lucre!!

Therefore, in such a mindset, there requires no coordination, it requires the repression of a unwanted regime and a alien culture!!

If it was so heavenly in Tibet, then why should one abandon his home and hearth and flee into an uncertain and alien future i.e. run away from Tibet ??

nebula82

Please forgive me for going off-topic, but I have always wondered, are India & China the world's two oldest civilisations? Or maybe Iran (Persia)?

Thx,
Nebula82.

Ray

I wouldn't know and I really don't care.

It is what is bandied by the jingos.

I am a person of the present.

And it is the present that worries me!

It doesn't worry me as to whose is the longest or the shortest. What concerns me, is what is the most efficient!