Dalai clique unqualified for talking about human rights - Page 2

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-01-2008, 14:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Colonel,

I would beg to disagree.

It was Han first and Han always.

Sir, that would contradict the deployment of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps whose sole purpose was to bring infrastructure to the region.

Ray · 05-01-2008, 14:39 PM

When was it established?

The Chinese government formed the XPCC from soldiers from the (Communist) First Field Army, former Guomindang soldiers and the Ili National Army (the military forces of the East Turkestan Republic). The XPCC itself was founded in October 1954, comprising 175,000 military personnel based in Xinjiang, led by Tao Zhiyue as its first commander-in-chief.

And Xinjiang has oil.

Even the Devil would develop it!!

And why was Tibet and Inner Mongolia left out?

FOE · 05-01-2008, 14:40 PM

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Do you know that China is owned by wannabe Capitalists, who have but recently exchanged their Mao suit for designer wear of the Capitalist West?

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I don't think so!China is owned by someone?Maybe western media say so!

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In other words, sold their soul and their ideology to the hated West?

i don't know who are "they"?

Common chinese people don't hate West;CPC don't hate West too!
Why do you hate CPC so deeply?

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Now give me some nice poetic homilies and pious platitude to obfuscate the disgrace and shame that the Chinese Communist, who have risen to where they are only because of Mao, has heaped on Mao and his policies by selling themselves to the hated West!!

Waiting for the CCP party line to hide the most disgraceful act

Mao is preterite now!
We all need harmonious!

Ray · 05-01-2008, 14:46 PM

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I don't think so!China is owned by someone?Maybe western media say so!

The western media is not saying so.

I a, saying so.

If someone cannot speak his mind because of fear, then someone is surely owning one!!

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i don't know who are "they"?

The harmonious flim flam!!

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Common chinese people don't hate West;CPC don't hate West too!
Why do you hate CPC so deeply?

Common people don't hate people.

They hate repression.

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Mao is preterite now!
We all need harmonious!

To Indian Communists, the only true Communists left in this world, Mao is God. That is Indian loyalty for you!!

The Indian Commies have not sold their soul for money as the Chinese have done and put Mao's ideology in the dustbin of history!!

That is Chinese opportunism! Of course, justified by bogus homilies.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-01-2008, 14:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

And Xinjiang has oil.

Sir,

Precisely. There's money doing it.

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And why was Tibet and Inner Mongolia left out?

Mainly, Sir, that there's no money doing that.

Ray · 05-01-2008, 15:03 PM

So, the love that the CCP members here are displaying for their poor serf brethren is misplaced and bogus.

It is time that all must understand that these areas were annexed in imperialist conquests, then there were periods of pull and pushes, sovereignty, suzerainty, independence etc and then when none were looking Communist China walked in and declared it was theirs!!

And if someone feels it is not so, come and get it!

No requirement of all these silly homilies and pious platitudes and how the Chinese love the world etc etc. These honey laced nonsense charged with falsehood gets the goat!!

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-01-2008, 15:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

So, the love that the CCP members here are displaying for their poor serf brethren is misplaced and bogus.

Sir,

Indeed. Have you noticed that they are talking to us about Tibetans instead of talking to Tibetans? We're not the ones who have to be convinced how good Tibetan lives are with the CCP. It is the Tibetans who must be convinced that their future lies with China.

Ray · 05-01-2008, 15:13 PM

Colonel,

True.

But I doff my hat to the Chinese Communist for the their loyalty to the CCP!

It maybe out of fear or it maybe genuine.

Yet, it has to be admired!!

Tibetans or Uighurs future is not to be decided by them. The will have to accept the future as decided by Hu and the CCP!!

FOE · 05-01-2008, 15:20 PM

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The western media is not saying so.

I a, saying so.

If someone cannot speak his mind because of fear, then someone is surely owning one!!

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I'm so sorry to hear that!
Ray,your knowdlege is too old!Freely speech is not a problem in china now!
No fear to say !Now maybe the problem is many young want to find sth. to say to show they are cool!

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The harmonious flim flam!!

Common people don't hate people.

They hate repression.

yes, i hate reprssion,too.but as a man not in china,how can you say there is repression in china" to a man who is in china now???

FOE · 05-01-2008, 15:24 PM

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Tibetans or Uighurs future is not to be decided by them. The will have to accept the future as decided by Hu and the CCP!!

It's funny!
of course they decide!

Ray · 05-01-2008, 15:25 PM

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I'm so sorry to hear that!
Ray,your knowdlege is too old!Freely speech is not a problem in china now!
No fear to say !Now maybe the problem is many young want to find sth. to say to show they are cool!

My knowledge is not old, old boy.

I read a lot and I research too.

The Chinese blogger and activist Hu Jia has been arrested. The charge is “subverting state authority,” though in China, as in many countries that repress expression, the actual charges might as well be “consorting with leprechauns.”

He must have got really cool!!

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yes, i hate reprssion,too.but as a man not in china,how can you say there is repression in china" to a man who is in china now???

Maybe if you start a blog for this blogger to be freed, I would agree that things are different.

Do let us have the link to see the progress and to which re-eduction camp you are sent!!

Ray · 05-01-2008, 15:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FOE

It's funny!
of course they decide!

Who decides?

The CCP and Hu?

You are right!

Ray · 05-01-2008, 15:30 PM

Foe,

Let me give you one advice, if I may.

MY experience on this forum has indicated that there are people who are highly educated, knowledgeable and with expertise that is immense.

So, before you post something, keep that in mind.

This is not a juvenile social interacting forum where anything one says goes!!

The Mods are tolerant since they all require a laugh!!

FOE · 05-01-2008, 15:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Who decides?

The CCP and Hu?

You are right!

You should know my meaning.
Of course the tibetians.

FOE · 05-01-2008, 16:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Foe,

Let me give you one advice, if I may.

MY experience on this forum has indicated that there are people who are highly educated, knowledgeable and with expertise that is immense.

So, before you post something, keep that in mind.

This is not a juvenile social interacting forum where anything one says goes!!

The Mods are tolerant since they all require a laugh!!

Thanks for your advice!

Maybe I should speak less!!!But do you think this forum need more voice of difference?

05-01-2008, 14:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	When was it established? The Chinese government formed the XPCC from soldiers from the (Communist) First Field Army, former Guomindang soldiers and the Ili National Army (the military forces of the East Turkestan Republic). The XPCC itself was founded in October 1954, comprising 175,000 military personnel based in Xinjiang, led by Tao Zhiyue as its first commander-in-chief. And Xinjiang has oil. Even the Devil would develop it!! And why was Tibet and Inner Mongolia left out? __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA Last edited by Ray : 05-01-2008 at 14:42 PM.

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05-01-2008, 15:03 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	So, the love that the CCP members here are displaying for their poor serf brethren is misplaced and bogus. It is time that all must understand that these areas were annexed in imperialist conquests, then there were periods of pull and pushes, sovereignty, suzerainty, independence etc and then when none were looking Communist China walked in and declared it was theirs!! And if someone feels it is not so, come and get it! No requirement of all these silly homilies and pious platitudes and how the Chinese love the world etc etc. These honey laced nonsense charged with falsehood gets the goat!!

05-01-2008, 15:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	Colonel, True. But I doff my hat to the Chinese Communist for the their loyalty to the CCP! It maybe out of fear or it maybe genuine. Yet, it has to be admired!! Tibetans or Uighurs future is not to be decided by them. The will have to accept the future as decided by Hu and the CCP!!

05-01-2008, 15:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	Foe, Let me give you one advice, if I may. MY experience on this forum has indicated that there are people who are highly educated, knowledgeable and with expertise that is immense. So, before you post something, keep that in mind. This is not a juvenile social interacting forum where anything one says goes!! The Mods are tolerant since they all require a laugh!!

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