luffaman

sir, that is the bad cop and good cop scenario that all oversea asian should learn.
if every asian here acts like elaine chao, that will be too boring, and racists still think you are hiding something. some hot head teenages jump out act like a nuts may add some spice.

sometimes play too safe, losing the flavor of adrenaline.
asian american traditional role in US is a buffer zone or scapegoat. maybe some asian american teenages get tired, they want to stand up to kick Mel Gibson and his father's butt to protect other racist victims.

Officer of Engineers

What bad cop/good cop scenario?

I see no difference in the treatment of Chinese-Americans versus other Americans. For every example you care to bring on the injustice on the Chinese-Americans, I can find you 100 examples on white-Americans.

With the two examples I raised is that here are two Americans who risen above on their own deeds ... and that is what should matter. Especially in your examples. 12 American men acquitted two white Americans for murdering a Chinese-American. Over 20 million Americans think a Chinese-American is best to lead them.

Which do you think is more important?

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luffaman

i have no doubt that majority of americans are nice people just like most of the chinese.
but some racist elite have their agenda, it is our duty as a human being to expose them, some people here lacking basic skill confuse racist media with west media, what is "west" for peter's sake, stalin and hitler are from west, lincoln and washington are from west too.

Take poisonous toys as an example, the chinese manufacturer produced those stuff strictly following american company's design, if the american company want to use paint containing leads, why blame china for it? and this time obviously the racist media distort the fact not to target CCP but chinese people.

I post some evidence soon.

luffaman

The world's largest toy maker, Mattel Inc, apologized on Friday for damaging China's reputation after recent massive recalls of its Chinese-made toys, admitting it targeted some goods that were actually up to scratch.

Mattel has come under scrutiny following the recall of about 21 million of the toys in a span of five weeks, many because of excessive levels of lead paint.

"Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Thomas Debrowski, Mattel's executive vice president of worldwide operations, told China's quality watchdog chief, Li Changjiang, in the Chinese capital.

"Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people and all of our customers who received the toys."

Debrowski said he realized the damage that had been done to the reputation of Chinese goods, adding the company was committed to manufacturing in China and was also investing $30 million in a Barbie store in Shanghai.

"But it's important for everyone to understand that the vast majority of those products that we recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in Chinese manufacturers."

Officer of Engineers

You are the one portraying the few as the many while I have countered the many have stood down the few.

Hold on one held of a second? Who won the wars against Hitler, Tojo, and later on against Stalin's group? It sure ain't the Chinese. And Mao tried to replace Stalinism with Maoism. And frankly I don't know which was worst.

I am well aware of those incidents ... and frankly speaking, those companies should not have been allowed to get away with those decisions ... but then again, who allowed them to get away with those decisions.

China did not know any better. That is the excuse ... and it is a proper excuse. It is also a very poor excuse. China should have known better ... especially after SARS.

goodamanda

A representative democracy tells other people: you are not a representative of democracy, so I will declared war on you.
Is this the democracy?

ying

Undersipin, I am so sorry to see your comments like this.
Are you trying to challenge the right of overseas Chinese to defend for China? Dose this ridiculous idea come from your belief on freedom?

Overseas Chinese choose to live in western countries do not necessarily mean they giving up their right to defend their motherland if they really believe their motherland is blamed based on biased and unproved claims. All those overseas Chinese have free access to various media. They read all reports and draw their own conclusion. This is not the first time China was accused by westerns but is the first time overseas Chinese voluntarily defend for China. You don’t know why?

“brainwash’ is the most ridiculous word to describe a person. WHO IS NOT BRAINWASHED? Chinese brainwashed by communism, Muslims are brainwashed by their religion, Russian are brainwashed by extreme nationalism, we have a quite long list here! It’s fine for you to choose to cherish western values and tell other Chinese that you were brainwashed by KMT. But I do think it is not appropriate for you to imply that Chinese/overseas Chinese are brainwashed since they are defending for China. If you have to say so, ok, you may say all CHINESE are brainwashed by its damn thousands of years traditional culture! Do you think this way is appropriate to promote the understanding between Chinese and westerners?

Personally, I think KMT is our national hero and the hope of China. I may spit on CCP but feel shame on any Chinese who forget those national heroes who fought with Japanese with their blood. I am sorry to know you are not the member of KMT though you use its flag as your identity.

luffaman

Ooe sir, i have to agree with you, chinese contribute few things in the modern world.
but that may be a good thing, when they realize they haven't archieved enough matching their population, they may feel ashame and rethink their plan.
but how to achieve more? this is where we may have different opinions.
Traditional chinese are hardworking and humble, but lack creativity.

if you've read the story on hillary clinton's balkan adventure, you will notice that they have a very different education background, they can create love, hatred, fantasy, lies from nothing, so in order to be great, you have to create needs, even sometimes may cause trouble.

think about it, if there is no hatred, where is crime? where is the job for police and lawyers? if you don't want icecream in summer, then who can invent a refrigerate for you?

chinese's ancestors are great, they create a glorious ancient civilization. but their offsprings spend too much time worship their forefathers greatness and their peers' greatness. forgot that they may have that greatness gene too (though haven't been proved yet ), but how can teenages resist the temptation of trying?

this time may be a very good chance for them to practice some, of course they should take some caution. my advice (of course a free one again) to them, is:

1. don't be fooled by giant size of so call west media, single out the racist behind the scene, then attack the racist but not the good west people.
2. realize this is a long-term propaganda war, a gist of passion is not enough, establish database (prepare enough propaganda ammunition), learn world history (europe, africa, america ...., not just asia history, those mushy experience only give you anger but not courage, learn from the strong and the weak at the same time).
3. remember the old chinese saying:"it is wrong to harbour an intention to harm other people, but it is stupid not to be well prepared to defend yourself." so someone damaged your reputation as a group, then try to calm you down by saying in a condescending tone like "we just don't like ccp, chinese are great, they have a long history blah blah..." tell them you don't like Christians for their persecuting scientist and jewish people in the old time, but you don't force them change the term Christianity to Luffamanity.
4... (i wish i had time, but too tired see you guys tomorrow!!!)

Parihaka

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one.

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Parihaka

Ah, so how does
prove
Namely, where is your evidence that Matel et al asked the manufacturing companies to use leaded paint?

luffaman

I feel sorry if what i said here about the evidence may cause any trouble or hurt anyone's feeling, i take it back.
although i seek attention, but don't want to trade my life for it (not even my IP, I consider you as a decent mod). I guess you know once i publicized those evidence, i may end up somewhere even CIA don't know.
I suggest you google "matel apology", read every lead, not just the first several pages, but as more as you can, you may have a big picture of this farce.

luffaman

again, here everyone.
I have no intention to blame all Matel Toy co.'s employees, they are good and decent people, including designers.
I am unhappy with some of the top executive members' greedy decision and lousy coverup.

hx37

Here's a fairly balanced report on the whole Mattel mess.

Mattel apologizes to China over recalls - Consumer news - MSNBC.com

and here's another

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/22/bu...ss/22toys.html

Basically the lead paint was due to a Chinese contractor's greed to reduce costs. However, the recall only contained a fairly small percentage of the lead paint coated toys, most of it was due to a design flaw that allowed for superstrong magnets to be used in toys. Apparently if a kid swallows a few of those, then his intestines may be ruptured. That was the fault of the designing company - Mattel, and there was a lot of scapegoating China.

1947

i understood what u said and india does have the capacity to to better the lives of the children to some extent because half the population of india is unser the age of 25
but i wanted to know where u thought we should draw the line between human rights abuse or something that was beyond our capacity

Parihaka

Nothing of the sort will happen.

As regards Matel, they were indeed unfair to some Chinese companies who made perfectly good toys, but they did not instruct those companies who used leaded paint to do so, which was what you were implying.

As regards getting banned, you and most of the other new Chinese posters here have already established yourselves as good posters so unless you break one of our rules that wont occur.
That doesn't mean however that when you post something that isn't true, you won't get called over it. That is the whole point of debate. As the Colonel would put it, prove your facts or back off