qestions for anti-CCPs - Page 7

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rat

@ Ray:
If u mean to say that all the representatives in the indian parliament are a result of booth capturing, then only God can save my country. The average level of intellect of CPI MPs in very good as compared to other parties. I like the personalities of Jyoti Basu, somnath, karats to name a few... because they are genuinely intelligent and have nice ideas.

Learning from some other country is not being their votary. Your response is emotional and immature. If you can intellectually prove your point in this intellectual debate... I will be more than happy to be convinced by u. If u look at China, they have learnt a lot from West and mixed it with their own ideas to create a system which is not all evil. Its time that we too learn from other countries and implement the good learnings here.

"...my vote in Bengal is redundant" - I dont think so. Every vote has a story to tell. Most of us , so called 'educated ones' shy away from our responsibilities. Its the poor, uneducated and vulnerable who is voting en-mass in india. This is leading to populist government policies which is unsustainable in long run. I am 23 and have voted twice... not caring if it was redundant or not.

As an enthusiastic Communist, I find your invoking God to save your country is most amusing, but not surprising!

The Communists have always been opportunists. One of the good Communist, Subash Chakravarty, who can whistle up the rent a crowd brigade of the CPI (M), openly said that his paying homage to the Hindu God at the Hindu holy site, Tarekeswar, was no big deal! And there were no shrill cries for the stalwarts like your hero, Jyoti Basu, the 95 year old, hormone assisted wonder!! The Communist bigwigs are the tower of strength in all the Durga Pujas – one does not whether it is the money behind these huge extravaganza that they are interested in to siphon or genuine religious fervour!

I wonder if they have forgotten that Communism is a God denied ideology!

If I am immature and emotional, one wonders what you are. I don’t have to get into debate with you since you are a hardboiled party cadre underling or so it appears. If you are, you are beyond debate since you are indoctrinated.

Of course, you must look at China. After all that is your country, right? The Communists had supported the British in WWII because Russia demanded so. In 1962, the Communists supported the Chinese and now again they are kowtowing to the Chinese as you are. That much for the loyalty to the soil which feed them!

One thing which you Communists have forgotten to learn from China! National pride! Just see how they have rallied for the Olympic Torch, even though I do not support their repression in Tibet.

But then, by displaying national pride, you would be failing to disintegrate the country as you have done in Bengal and then take it over!

Your hero Jypoti Basu has ruined Bengal and the Bengali pride.

Let me explain it in a bit of a detail.

For Communism to survive, one has to ensure there is poverty. Rich or those with adequate income are not attracted to Communism.

Secondly, one has to break up the bureaucracy and the law and order machinery, create strife and take it over.

Both were done by this great harridan, Basu.

He organised gheraos and drove the industry away, made people jobless and poor and he infiltrated the bureaucracy and unionised the police where a constable calls the shots and not those who are paid to do so i.e. the IGs and the Commissioners.

Basu also ensured that English was not taught in schools and only Bengali. This resulted in Bengalis not getting jobs outside the State and thus there being not enough jobs in the State to absorb them, it led to dissatisfaction and strife.

Having set the State up for total chaos, the Communist built up extra constitutional authorities at local levels and the Coordinating Committees everywhere as also Peoples’ Courts for instant justice Communist way. In short, they made a State within a State and made the actual constitutional machinery redundant.

In fact, the joke in Bengal is that if you want something to be got done. Contact the local Communist boss and of course have the money to grease his palm. And better still, have a Communist in the family.

I find it amusing that any Communist who is a bigwig and with a education degree is an ‘intellectual’. In what way is Jyoti Basu, Somnath Chatterjee or Karat intellectuals?BTW, Basu and Chatterjee are one of the richest Bengalis and Indians!!

Read the articles above, what option do you leave us on voting? What is the use of getting a sunstroke, when having entered the booth you realise your name has been struck off or being told that you have already voted, when in actuality some Communist has already voted on your behalf since you were an ''iffy'' voter!!

People in Bengal will remain poor since strife and poverty helps Communists to stay in power!

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:43 AM

Rat

Some more for you

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State lines up Fresh Reliance rival
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
Fruits being polished minutes before a Reliance Fresh store opens its doors in Hyderabad. (File picture)

Calcutta, April 18: Bengal Fresh could be the state agriculture marketing department’s answer to Reliance Fresh — the chain of fresh-food stores knocking on the Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee government’s doors.

Mortazza Hossain, the minister in charge, said his department has planned a three-tier “integrated agri-marketing network” and is also thinking of opening its own kiosks to sell fruits and vegetables.

“We are not going to sign an MoU with Reliance Indus- tries on its proposed retail chain. Neither is the government going to give it land to set up shops,” said Hossain, adding that it would have to accept “certain conditions”.

An anchal or block collection and trading centre that integrates 5-10 village haats will be at the base of the Forward Bloc minister’s proposed three-tier network.

District-level regulated markets, which already exist, would form the next tier. Cold storage and processing and packaging units would be developed.

At the top, five central markets would come up in Rajarhat, Kharagpur, Dankuni, Asansol and somewhere in north Bengal — individual and bulk buyers as well as exporters would be able to buy from here, the minister said.

Retail outlets — on the lines of Reliance Fresh — are also on the table. The name suggested: Bengal Fresh.

“There are certain similarities between ours and Reliance’s initial proposal. But the decision to allow them to enter the retail market has to be taken at the political level,’’ Hossain said.

Funds for the network will come from departmental allocation as well as the state’s agriculture marketing board, he added.

Reliance, which had applied for a licence two months ago, sent a legal notice to the state agriculture marketing board recently, asking why it had not been granted.

The board is controlled by the Forward Bloc, which has a stranglehold on the farm products marketing apparatus and is resisting the corporate group’s entry because it fears losing its clout.

Officially, though, it has been citing farmers’ interests as the reason for its opposition.

Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee has said there is no reason to deny the licence, but a section of the CPM and its allies want a debate in the Left Front and the cabinet.

Reliance wants permission to buy food crops, vegetables and dairy and poultry products from farmers and sell it to bulk and retail customers.

But a section of the front is opposed to the entry of big private players in the fresh-food retail business.

“Earlier, the chief minister told the cabinet that Reliance or any other big players would not allowed in retail. If he has changed his position, it should be discussed in the front,’’ PWD minister and RSP veteran Kshiti Goswami said.

The Bloc’s Naren Chatter- jee, who is chairman of the marketing board, said: “The CPM, too, is opposed to both FDI and domestic big capital in retail. Any change in this position requires a policy debate in the Front.”

The CPI shared the view.

But CPM state secretariat member Benoy Konar differed. “We are yet to discuss Reliance’s retail proposal in the party. Our central committee wants a total ban on FDI in retail but has asked for controls and regulations on domestic big business in the same market. There is a difference between a ban and control,” he sai
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Bengal

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

40 degrees Centigrade in April...

I was going to try my luck to apply a summer intern in India. Oh, no way...

If a Shanghaiese girl visits India now, she may take it as a good opportunity to wear a mini-skirt and a small vest

Luckily, I am not. But sometimes I do use cold water near to 5 degrees for bath in the winter. It is very exciting

Don't wear a miniskirt!

India's glorious and ancient culture speaks of Kamasutra in the raw but not mini skirt!

Our Communists will hound you out!

Fiona Shrot · 04-24-2008, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rat

Hello everyone! Quite an interesting discussion here!

Hello Rat! Welcome to WAB and this topic!

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Although I beg to differ with one of the comments Ray made.
Quoting Mr Ray: "Communism is a failed doctrine."
In my opinion its not. Any doctrine in its extreme form is bad, be it capitalism or communism.

Thanks for your opinion. I agree. The problem is the communism in China today is not the real communism.

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I would like to draw your attention to the Indian state of West Bengal. The Communist Party of India has been comprehensively winning the free and fair elections in this state for more than 30 years. Had communism been a failed concept, they couldnt have had a string of wins in a democratic election for such a long time. Even the central government in India is solely due to CPI's support.

I knew little about India's politics during the year 1900-1990...
I have a lot to learn.

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In my opinion, chinese model is an interesting model of governance and has been quite successful in providing its people both economic growth and social development. Its method might be unacceptable for the world but it has achieved above average success in a short span of 50 years. I also think that their form of governance is evolving with time.

Thank you. In China, people always say " we will find our own way" and we do follow a totally different way from those of other countries.

At the same time, I admit there are some problems with both China's economy and society behind her rapid growth. In fact, anyone who can solve China's problems completely is of ability to earn a Nobel Prize.

Failte!

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:52 AM

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Max heat, ours and theirs

- Wide gap between official and layman’s temperatures

SUVRO ROY AND G.S. MUDUR

April 23: Your child may be swooning on the school playground and the display board at the city centre may read 44.2 degrees Celsius.

But no point getting hot under the collar. The official maximum temperature in Calcutta is still 38.9 degrees Celsius — 2.1 degrees less than what could be termed a heat wave.

The Alipore Met office pegged the maximum temperature on Wednesday at 38.9 degrees based on a reading around 2.30pm.

However, around 2pm, the reading on a multi-thermometer on the third-floor roof of The Telegraph’s office in the heart of Calcutta was 42.7 degrees Celsius. By 3pm, the multi-thermometer that can measure up to 150 degrees Celsius, was reading 43 degrees Celsius.

At 2.42pm, a digital display board maintained by the state government’s pollution control board read 44.2 degrees Celsius — well above the heat-wave milestone of 41 degrees Celsius.

So, whose maximum temperature can you warm up to, based on which schools can change timings or declare holidays as some other states in the region have done?

Not The Telegraph’s, not the pollution control board’s and not even the reading of your tormented body that is screaming it is hotter than what the official figures say.

Because none of the above has a wooden box called Stevenson’s screen. If air temperature has to be measured according to the norms laid down by the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) in Geneva and apparently followed world-wide, this box is needed.

“According to the WMO norms, the thermometer is kept inside a well-ventilated wooden box known as Stevenson’s screen. The door to the box opens to the north in the Northern Hemisphere. The box is kept in an open field at a height of 1.25 metres so as not to be affected by the earth’s low-level radiation,” said G.C. Debnath, the director of weather section at the Regional Meteorological Centre in Alipore.

The box is named after its creator Thomas Stevenson, a lighthouse design pioneer and the father of novelist Robert Louis Stevenson. “If a thermometer is held in the open (as The Telegraph did), the air temperature is coupled with radiant energy. That will be erroneous reading of air temperature,” he added.

Officials said Stevenson’s screen is painted white to reflect incoming radiation from the sun. The box opens to the north because the objective is to measure temperature from a neutral direction. As the sun moves from the east to the west, the reading of a thermometer facing north is unlikely to be influenced by the sun’s motion.

The place where the Alipore Met office keeps the screen is open — the maximum temperature reading is done around 2.30pm, the hottest part of the day — but it is surrounded by the leafy environment familiar around the colonial structures of Calcutta.

Other meteorologists said urban centres with a high density of concrete buildings and other structures were likely to be hotter than the outskirts of cities or zones with low density of buildings.

Scientists sometimes call this the urban heat island effect. When the temperature is 39 to 40 degrees Celsius at Calcutta’s Dalhousie Square, it might be 35 or 36 degrees Celsius a little beyond Howrah, according to a scientist with the India Meteorological Department (IMD) in Calcutta.

“A city centre could be 2 to 4 degrees hotter than the outskirts,” the IMD scientist said.

This suggests that the ground reality can be captured better if the Alipore Met office takes readings from spots closer to the centre of the city or from multiple points.

The Met office has a temperature reading centre in Dum Dum, too. But Dum Dum’s maximum temperature — on Wednesday, it was almost a degree higher than that of Calcutta — is not taken into account for the city as it falls in North 24-Parganas.

Temperature also depends on the amount of heat reflected by the local environment. A rooftop measurement is likely to lead to an elevated reading because of the heat reflected by the surrounding concrete. But there should be no significant difference between temperature on the ground and at altitudes of 20 metres to 40 metres.

Debnath said the current hot spell could continue for the next 24 hours. “The westerly wind is still blowing at the upper level, bringing in hot and dry air from the western part of the country.”
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Frontpage | Max heat, ours and theirs

I hate the aircon, but I have to use it now 24x7 and Rat's govt will ensure that there will be 3 to 4 hours loadshedding (no electricity!)!!

Why?

We must get industrialised.

Industrialisation without planning for electricity!

Typical Communist "intellectualism" of which Rat is so proud!!

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Hello Rat! Welcome to WAB and this topic!

Thanks for your opinion. I agree. The problem is the communism in China today is not the real communism.

I knew little about India's politics during the year 1900-1990...
I have a lot to learn.

Thank you. In China, people always say " we will find our own way" and we do follow a totally different way from those of other countries.

At the same time, I admit there are some problems with both China's economy and society behind her rapid growth. In fact, anyone who can solve China's problems completely is of ability to earn a Nobel Prize.

Failte!

Foina,

Also read my articles how the Glorious Communists win!!

But then, you Communists are blind!

Lal Saalaam! (Red Salute!) [cleched fist raised as in Hitler's Nazi salute!!]

Deltacamelately · 04-24-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

The problem with me was that I didnt know how to spell "Sikh".
But once I remember their cuuuuute turbans, I would like to ask some Indian about how to make a turban like that, how to wash their hair, where exactly they come from....
Anyway, I am pleased to make you laugh. Like the Chinese saying goes, Laugh three times one day, get ten years younger you may.

They come from a region that is called Punjab, i.e. land of 5 rivers.
They are a martial sect that rose from Hinduism and was greatly inspired by another sect called Sufisim. They have 10 Gurus, or teacher as you may call and a Holy book called "Shree Guru Granth Sahib". Their 10 Guru laid down the sect called "Khalsa" or pure. This was a revolutionary step wherein the society underwent an internal rennaisance wherein 5 people were selcted from 5 different castes and were purified by the Guru by making them have "Amrit" or nectar as you may call. These 5 men were called "Panj Pyare" or 5 beloved. They vouched to always carry 5 things,

1.Kesh (Uncut Hair)
2.Kripan (Sword)
3.Kara (A metal bangle)
4.Kaccha (Underware)
5.Kangha (Comb)

This turban is worn by a Sikh to cover the Kesh i.e. his Hair. To a Sikh, the Pagri i.e.Turban is his pride. He can fight and even die for its honour.
It is NOT a hat.

Fiona Shrot · 04-24-2008, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Don't wear a miniskirt!

India's glorious and ancient culture speaks of Kamasutra in the raw but not mini skirt!

Our Communists will hound you out!

Ha, dont worry, Mohashoy. I never wore it and never will I.

Kamasutra...

Ive regretted having googled it...

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Ha, dont worry, Mohashoy. I never wore it and never will I.

Kamasutra...

Ive regretted having googled it...

One step ahead of the Chinese!

Fiona Shrot · 04-24-2008, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Foina,

Also read my articles how the Glorious Communists win!!

But then, you Communists are blind!

Lal Saalaam! (Red Salute!) [cleched fist raised as in Hitler's Nazi salute!!]

I will, Comrade.

Thanks for your articles!

Ray · 04-24-2008, 04:58 AM

Call me Comrade.

Or call me B'wana.

Deltacamelately · 04-24-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Call me Comrade.

Or call me B'wana.

Sir, what is b'wana????

Deltacamelately · 04-24-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiona Shrot

Ha, dont worry, Mohashoy. I never wore it and never will I.

Kamasutra...

Ive regretted having googled it...

You have google the wrong thing. It will haunt you now.

Deltacamelately · 04-24-2008, 05:04 AM

Fiona, the 10th Guru was known as "Shri Guru Govind Ji". My avatar is his picture.

Fiona Shrot · 04-24-2008, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Deltacamelately

They come from a region that is called Punjab, i.e. land of 5 rivers.
They are a martial sect that rose from Hinduism and was greatly inspired by another sect called Sufisim. They have 10 Gurus, or teacher as you may call and a Holy book called "Shree Guru Granth Sahib". Their 10 Guru laid down the sect called "Khalsa" or pure. This was a revolutionary step wherein the society underwent an internal rennaisance wherein 5 people were selcted from 5 different castes and were purified by the Guru by making them have "Amrit" or nectar as you may call. These 5 men were called "Panj Pyare" or 5 beloved. They vouched to always carry 5 things,

1.Kesh (Uncut Hair)
2.Kripan (Sword)
3.Kara (A metal bangle)
4.Kaccha (Underware)
5.Kangha (Comb)

This turban is worn by a Sikh to cover the Kesh i.e. his Hair. To a Sikh, the Pagri i.e.Turban is his pride. He can fight and even die for its honour.
It is NOT a hat.

Wow, thank you a million for the explanation!
Hmm...Punjab is a word very familiar actually. I wish I could visit there.

I only have two questions:
1. the 4th thing that needs to carry along is "underware". What is underware? Underwear?! So..others dont have it?
2. do you still carry a sword? So how can you board a plane? Or always by train, bus and ship?

Thank you a lot and forgive me for my curiousness.

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