Fiona Shrot

Hey your words are quite like what Ray said.

OK, about that war, I really need to know more.

BTW, I never heard Sikkim was a part of Tibet. So why need its people decieded?

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bolo121

Oh, I see. ok then.
About 1962, we indians mostly view it as the main factor that helped our army to modernise. Prior to the defeat Indian Army had been ignored and neglected by the govt. After it a major reform and modernisation effort was undertaken. Due in part to this we were successful in the next 2 major conflicts we faced which were against pakistan.

Ray

Fiona my girl,


You live in Ireland and you have developed the rebellious Irish psyche.

They are great fighters!

Some great Irish have also been a prime force in the Indian independence movement like Sister Nivedita. (I don't remember her Irish name!)

If you have not heard of Sikkim and what the Reds have to say, indicates that you have stayed too long outside your country and have been influenced by the revisionists and the running dogs of imperialism!

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Fiona Shrot

As far as I could remember, I always thought Sikkim belonged to India, not China. I also met some guys from Northern India. They kept long hair according to their religion. Did they just from Sikkim? Besides, it is said that even in the army, the their soldiers are allowed to have that hair-style, I mean, something like a big hat on the head?

Triple C

If the CCP is so necessary and beloved by the people, why is it affraid of disorder? Is it really disorder that it is trying to avert, or its own downfall? If there is a general election in China tommorow the CPP will win. The only reason for not having one is that they are too affraid to even face a competition!

The Russian senario is a scarecrow. There will be no break-away republics because over ninety per cent of the Chinese citizens are Hans. They also inhabit every province that is remotely hospitable to human life. Why would China worry about losing the Gobi desert and Himalyan mountains?

Every dictatorship want to tell its people that it is necessary, that armagaddon will come if it is removed from power--even though it is more often then not the regime responsible for creating the preconditions for that armagaddon. The longer the CPP stay in power, the more spectacular it will be when it goes.

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Ray

You like the hairy ones it appears!

The are Sikhs who have long hair,

Cute, aren't they?

They don't have a hat,

The have a turban.

They are turbo charged they claim!! That is why girls like them!!

Fiona Shrot

Oh, no

Though I have long hair, I dont like those hairy ones I met.

I think they have to spend a lot of time washing and combing their hair everyday.

And, will their heads feel very hot during India's summer?

BTW, what kind of a person do Indian girls like most

The world is so colorful. Some men wear skirts, and others have long hair

FullTank

Fiona,

Take some time and think about it.


1. CCP will always ensure that the environment will always remain immature. It takes something to give up power. As can be seen from large posters CCP has successfully created this image that without them China will collapse.(Actually CCP is not the only one, in my country too an image has been created that without the gandhi family India will collapse, so this branding is not a communist philosophy but what people do to stay in power and create in the minds of people--even inelligent ones. This kind of thinking hurts my country and I know that it will hurt your too)

Great foresight, renunciation(no longer in modern era) or a sense of imminent collapse or outright toppling is required to give up power. Which path will the ccp choose?


suggest you re-read the posts of OoE and Ray sir. Their convey much more than what one can perceive at a quick read. Its not just opinions what most of us give but understanding of human mind and what works, whats fact and what isnt. I can say for sure OoE knows much better about China than you do.


2.You are not going to get case 1 since even if it is to teach a lesson, CCP will always play it to its people like its to protect their home and nation. Going over the posts of the chinese here who call the 1962 teaching a leson as a protection from aggressive India shows how well China has been able to sell the idea. How would you feel if it ralized to you some day as a mother that your son lost his life trying to teach a lesson but was told he died protecting his nation?


3.CCP know that not only physically can you influence others but also through ideology. Why teach perverted history to its own people to make them bullish about china? Why you see a big gap between the chinese and the westerners-because the westerners are not thought the same history lessons as CCP. Why only maoists are found outside china in its neighbouring regions and not in China?


4. You find tons of chinese posters here saying come to Tibet etc. Obviously ccp's thinking is that if one sees huge buildings in Tibet it means CCP has done great for Tibet and it cannot think any other way. Not everyone has all the money to go to Tibet on every beck and call of a chinese poster? And what about the independent journalist who do want to go there? Why block them? Why have a paraded tour? More so why arent there any Tibetians on the internet from Tibet? Why cant they speak to us openly? If ccp has done so great for them couldnt they provide them a internet connection?


5. Why ccp thinks it can monitor and prevent what the chinese can view on the internet? Does it think it needs to 'protect' them? Its the same 'protected' person who will go on to join the ccp tomorrow with his/her perverted sense of understanding and rule his people isnt it?What really does the ccp have to hide?

Brainwashing can happen in any kind of govt communist, democratic, theocratic by the government or the media or non state actors- its only in a democracy you dont get shot at for asking difficult questions. You need to stay alive to know the truth.

btw its not that democracy wont be without flaws. Anyone who asks or thinks that democracy is without flaws is highly stupid. And if CCP shows flaws in some democracy as a means to stay in power then it thinks its people are are more stupid than it is. How can democracy not have flaws as long as human beings have flaws? But democracy allows those flaws to be seen in public and a problem visible is much better than a problem hidden. If not now atleast in future it will be possible that the problem is corrected in future but a hidden problem is never addressed.

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Officer of Engineers

I was commenting on how the CCP needed a whip. They did not. They brainwashed the kids into doing their dirty work.

Then, you missed the point. Democracy is far from ideal. It is damned hard work. You have to work for it. You have to work to keep it. And at times, your work does absolutely nothing. But it is your work.

Same crap, different bowl. All politics are local. The rich guy in your example is just paying up front instead afterwards through job creation, welfare, managing the economy, etc.

China already have a democracy. People vote either by ballot or by bullet. Thus far, the CCP have managed to avoid losing the vote by bullet but it's a lot safer to lose by ballot than by bullet.

This being said, while you look at Russia, you failed to see Eastern Europe who made the successful transition.

Yes, they would. Only an idiot would stay and fight when the strategic and tactical requirements make a case for withdraw. Besides, the PLA had retreated several times in their history. The 1962 Sino-Indo War, the Korean War, and the Sino-Soviet Clashes. Even the 1979 1st Sino-Vietnam War could make a strong case the PLA ran home.

And let's not forget the one action that defined the PLA, the Long March, was in fact, the biggest retreat in communist military history.

Let me give you the basics. In February of 1979, the PLA launched a 200,000 man invasion of Vietnam in what Beijing described as a counter-attack by local forces to teach Vietnam a lesson. In 30 days of combat, the PLA burned 3 Provincial Capitals while suffering 30,000 casualties. They claimed to have inflicted 50,000 Vietnamese casualties. After the fall of Lang Soon, the last Vietnamese Provincial Capital, the PLA began retreat across back to their border. In 30 days, the Chinese lost 30,000 troops with nothing to show for it.

Mao may have forced his son to join but that was no Volunteer Army. You don't assemble two entire volunteer field armies in 60 days.

Maybe you don't want to be here. I am going to shatter a lot of the myths you believe in. I've already wrecked the one about Tibet was China's since the time of the Yuan.

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Tronic

LOL, I actually fell off my chair laughing! Atleast could have bothered googling before making an ass out of yourself! Because Sikhism rhymes with Sikkim; Sikhs are from Sikkim?

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ace16807

I actually don't doubt the CCP's ability to muster a large "military force" (i.e. volunteers) in the event of an invasion of the homeland, however, I seriously doubt many of those "Soldiers" will hold their ground, let alone stick it out beyond the first engagement. Just speculation though. Never have been in combat, nor the military.

Herodotus

So you are basing what the PLA will do today on what they did 30 years ago? 30 years ago even the US military could not withstand the tide of Vietnamese nationalism that was sweeping the Indochina peninsula. The Vietnamese hated and still hate the Chinese more than they ever did the French or the Americans.

We could go back further in Chinese history for even more military defeats; the First Sino-Japanese War, the Sino-French War, the Opium Wars. But is that going to be any indication how the PLA, with modernization, better training, and weapons upgrades is going to fight today? I wouldn't bet on it.

That's what some people said about the Iraqis (we will be greeted as liberators). Would the Chinese be less determined to fight for their homeland? Chinese history tells us they would at least fight, the First Opium War lasted eleven years and all China lost was Hong Kong. So why would they not fight against an invasion of the motherland.

Officer of Engineers

No, I am NOT basing what the PLA will today with what happened 30 years ago. In fact, I more than advocating that the CCP will fall if they try to repeat the episode.

If your point is to show that the Chinese have advanced since that defeat, then you've used the wrong example. The Qing changed nothing and collapsed.

I know you're trying to impress the membership but you do know the Qing won that one.

Based on what you've just written, you have absolutely no idea how the PLA wants to fight. A clue to you - the War Zone Campaign, Brigadization, and Pockets of Excellence. Don't try to challenge me on this. I know far more than you, including what Generals Cao and Liang want to do.

What the hell are you talking about? The People's War is DEAD! If you have no idea what they're teaching at the NDU and obviously, you do not, FM 3-0 is a required read.

If an insurgency is indeed needed, then it won't be lead by the CCP. They've already wrecked any chance of that by reducing the militia down to nil.

FullTank

Tronic your being too hard dude. It did sound like an honest mistake.

But its new and one that probably no one thought of before. You always hear a new thing everyday dont you.

Ray

They do not wear skirts. They wear a dhoti.

Yesterday, in Orissa it was 45 degrees Centigrade and where I am it was 40.

In such heat and with high humidity, you cannot go about in a Mao suit or a three piece suit either as you cannot go nude in the harsh winters of Northern China.

Clothes were as per the weather conditions in the old days and not as per what would be fashionable and chic!!