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Old 04-25-2008, 07:07 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Fiona,

All countries are amazing.

Look carefully in Ireland and you will also find a leprechaun!

Look carefully at India and you will find rajahs and nabobs riding elephants with jungles and jungle trails in their capital city with half naked fakirs doing the Indian rope trick.

Might even see a flying carpet!

Amazing, what?
Traveling around the world is one of my dreams!

But now I love India more than Korea, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, and the like.

I wish I could visit it asap.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:19 AM   #137 (permalink)
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Fiona raised up a good point about Chinese laws. China is scrambling to put into place a system of laws that will cover all the intricacies that result from modern life. However, does anyone here have any idea how they're shaping them? I don't, and that's a damned important aspect of government. The judiciary branch still has a lot of power (along with a lot of corruption), and I would love to know who is deciding which laws to put in. Is it some secret committee within the CCP, or is it a more democratic process?
Tons of corruption! To be a lawyer, one has to learn how to buy the judges. And it is what three lawyers told me. Too dark...
The process of making a law is very intricate and slow. some committee within the CCP plus some representatives of the National People's Congress, maybe.
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:15 AM   #138 (permalink)
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Fiona,

But aren't you some important Party apparatchik's daughter?

Surely, he must have got you a party post and that is why you have been sent to have a foreign education so that you can understand the westerners better and be equipped to take them on when the time comes!
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:36 AM   #139 (permalink)
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But aren't you some important Party apparatchik's daughter?

Surely, he must have got you a party post and that is why you have been sent to have a foreign education so that you can understand the westerners better and be equipped to take them on when the time comes!
No kidding?

My parents and my family are very ordinary.

Wealthy? No. Powerful? No.

B'wana, I am from Anhui Province, which is not as developed as the eastern and southern coasts. If you would like to know more about my family, I am pleased to send you an essay about it. Could you give me your email address or something?
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Old 04-25-2008, 08:45 AM   #140 (permalink)
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I believe it is a beautiful place with mountains and pine trees and the famous Mount Huangshan, Mount Jiuhua, one of the four famous Buddhist Mountains in China as also Mount Tian Zhu.

I believe there are hot springs too!

I am told that there are ancient villages well preserved from the Ming and Qing Dynasties and the most impressive ones are in Xidi and Hongcun in Yixian County near Mount Huangshan.
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:04 AM   #141 (permalink)
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I believe it is a beautiful place with mountains and pine trees and the famous Mount Huangshan, Mount Jiuhua, one of the four famous Buddhist Mountains in China as also Mount Tian Zhu.

I believe there are hot springs too!

I am told that there are ancient villages well preserved from the Ming and Qing Dynasties and the most impressive ones are in Xidi and Hongcun in Yixian County near Mount Huangshan.
Yup!!!! I have been to all of these places!

Waterfalls, Cloud sea, Pine trees and Strange stones are the most famous sceneries in Huangshan!

Mountain Tian Zhu is also very beautiful, but not developed as much as Yellow Mountain.

Mountain Jiu Hua, has a long history related to Buddhism. But I dont it too much, because the monks there become greedy.

I once swam in the hot spring in Huangshan Mountain in a starry summer's night

I also love the ancient villages a lot!

B'wana, how did you know sooooooo much
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:10 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Checked my records in my computer.

I keep many items in my computer hard disks. It is that whenever I get some interesting thing on any subject I store it.

Instead of idling, I like googling on issues that interest me and then I store.
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Checked my records in my computer.

I keep many items in my computer hard disks. It is that whenever I get some interesting thing on any subject I store it.

Instead of idling, I like googling on issues that interest me and then I store.
I keep learning from you Ray... Instead of storing in my hard disk, I save my book marks and data in "google Notebook". It is a good tool by google and is very easy to use. If u use firefox, then u can also install an extension which makes bookmarkings very easy.
This not only saves hard disk space, but also u can access your links from any computer.
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Old 04-25-2008, 17:28 PM   #144 (permalink)
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No, I am NOT basing what the PLA will today with what happened 30 years ago. In fact, I more than advocating that the CCP will fall if they try to repeat the episode.

If your point is to show that the Chinese have advanced since that defeat, then you've used the wrong example. The Qing changed nothing and collapsed.

I know you're trying to impress the membership but you do know the Qing won that one.

Based on what you've just written, you have absolutely no idea how the PLA wants to fight. A clue to you - the War Zone Campaign, Brigadization, and Pockets of Excellence. Don't try to challenge me on this. I know far more than you, including what Generals Cao and Liang want to do.



What the hell are you talking about? The People's War is DEAD! If you have no idea what they're teaching at the NDU and obviously, you do not, FM 3-0 is a required read.

If an insurgency is indeed needed, then it won't be lead by the CCP. They've already wrecked any chance of that by reducing the militia down to nil.
1.) Calm down, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, just asking for clarification. You are one of the high muckety-mucks around here, but it doesn't mean you have to go around insulting people.

2.) What was the result of the Sino-French War; the annexation of Annam by the French (A clear strategic loss for the Qing). I'm not trying to impress anybody, but I did have a professor once who wrote his dissertation on the diplomatic history of the Sino-French War: Amazon.ca: Diplomacy of the Sino-French War 1883-85: Global Complications of an Undeclared War: Lewis Milton Chere: Books
It's on my bookshelf, and I have read it, but that is probably the extent of my knowledge on it. I'm sure you are far more read on the subject than one such as I.

3.) Why are you bringing up a strawman argument; I said nothing about the CCP leading an insurgency. I am saying the people of China like people in Iraq, or Indonesia, or East Timor, or even Japan (without the nukes) would not tolerate a foreign military invasion of their soil. Insurgencies can erupt spontaneously, they can be organized at a local level, etc. The Chinese people would fight foreign invaders, regardless if those foreigners were "liberators" or bring democracy, or anything else. Confucian societies are similar to Islamic societies in their disdain for democracy. That's not to say it cannot happen though. But the initial response from the Chinese would probably be to resist and fight, which means casualties, which means we have to wonder if it would be worth the risk.

4.) Finally, I feel I have been respectful in my tone toward you and other members of this board, so I don't feel you need to treat me with what I would consider disdain. We can have open and honest debate on these subjects, since no one's knowledge should be above reproach; unless you are a sinologist who has spent 40 years writing on Chinese military topics--in which case you should be delivering lectures at Harvard instead of posting to a message board.

However if you are just going to say you know better, and no one can challenge you, and you have the power to banish posters, then there is probably nothing further for me to say on this or any other topic.
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Old 04-25-2008, 18:18 PM   #145 (permalink)
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The Chinese people would fight foreign invaders, regardless if those foreigners were "liberators" or bring democracy, or anything else. Confucian societies are similar to Islamic societies in their disdain for democracy. That's not to say it cannot happen though. But the initial response from the Chinese would probably be to resist and fight, which means casualties, which means we have to wonder if it would be worth the risk.
it even take me a lot of effort to hide my disdain before reply your post.
confucius consist only part of traditional chinese culture, i bet Taoism and buddaism have same influence (if not bigger) on traditional chinese culture, no to mention thousands of other interesting ideas and thoughts, and finally which in my eye at least weigh half of chinese culture is pragmatism.

i guess you may know more confucius stuff than an ordinary morden chinese, but even what you said is true, that is china is a Confucian society. so what? a culture who threw Galileo in prison and burnt Giordano Bruno as a hectic can embrace democracy, why not chinese?

we want to choose democracy or other fancy xxxcracy any time we see it fits.
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1.) Calm down, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, just asking for clarification. You are one of the high muckety-mucks around here, but it doesn't mean you have to go around insulting people.
All right, I misread you, my apologies.

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2.) What was the result of the Sino-French War; the annexation of Annam by the French (A clear strategic loss for the Qing). I'm not trying to impress anybody, but I did have a professor once who wrote his dissertation on the diplomatic history of the Sino-French War: Amazon.ca: Diplomacy of the Sino-French War 1883-85: Global Complications of an Undeclared War: Lewis Milton Chere: Books
It's on my bookshelf, and I have read it, but that is probably the extent of my knowledge on it. I'm sure you are far more read on the subject than one such as I.
The original OPOBJ was to control all of SE Asia all the way to Yunan. The decisive battle was at Lang Soon, Vietnam The French was forced to retreat.

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3.) Why are you bringing up a strawman argument; I said nothing about the CCP leading an insurgency. I am saying the people of China like people in Iraq, or Indonesia, or East Timor, or even Japan (without the nukes) would not tolerate a foreign military invasion of their soil. Insurgencies can erupt spontaneously, they can be organized at a local level, etc. The Chinese people would fight foreign invaders, regardless if those foreigners were "liberators" or bring democracy, or anything else. Confucian societies are similar to Islamic societies in their disdain for democracy. That's not to say it cannot happen though. But the initial response from the Chinese would probably be to resist and fight, which means casualties, which means we have to wonder if it would be worth the risk.
That strongly depends where and I strongly doubt that there would be a united effort. There was a reason why Warlords became so powerful after the collapse of the Qing. For one thing, Southern China would more than likely be split from Northern China. They don't even speak the same language though they do share the same written language but the grammar and the pronunciations are vastly different, as different as French and English.

Secondly, there is the other China, aka Taiwan. It would be quite easy for Chinese to rule over Chinese again.

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unless you are a sinologist who has spent 40 years writing on Chinese military topics--in which case you should be delivering lectures at Harvard instead of posting to a message board.
Not quite and not 40 years but my other forum, the China-Defense.com, has been a leader in China/PLA watching. It was us who gone through the exercises, written texts to decipher those terms I've listed.
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Secondly, there is the other China, aka Taiwan. It would be quite easy for Chinese to rule over Chinese again.
Does Taiwan even have the necessary population to rule over China? It has a population of about 22 million and an army of about 300,000(Wikipedia), how are they going to keep the order in even a quarter of China with that many people?
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They don't. What Taiwan would offer is an ideological war, a working alternative to the CCP as compared to a directionless insurgency.
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All right, I misread you, my apologies.

The original OPOBJ was to control all of SE Asia all the way to Yunan. The decisive battle was at Lang Soon, Vietnam The French was forced to retreat.

That strongly depends where and I strongly doubt that there would be a united effort. There was a reason why Warlords became so powerful after the collapse of the Qing. For one thing, Southern China would more than likely be split from Northern China. They don't even speak the same language though they do share the same written language but the grammar and the pronunciations are vastly different, as different as French and English.

Secondly, there is the other China, aka Taiwan. It would be quite easy for Chinese to rule over Chinese again.

Not quite and not 40 years but my other forum, the China-Defense.com, has been a leader in China/PLA watching. It was us who gone through the exercises, written texts to decipher those terms I've listed.
Ah excellent, I have been looking for a forum on Chinese defense issues; why didn't you say so in the first place (Well I guess you cannot solicit other boards on this board). I shall peruse your writings and pick your brain on Chinese defense issues, (since I am curious on the subject) if you don't mind.

BTW--I have no idea what OPOBJ means but I will trust you know what you are talking about on the Sino-French War. My knowledge, as I said, is limited.
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