tiskew

About this bio-disel thing, it will end up fighting against ourselves with lands sooner or later.

One more thing about the BRIGHT electronic cars, I've done some simple calculation, if all the cars in the world turned into electronic driven motor, it will need 300 of China's new three gorgous damn, which is not feasible at all.

We are on a dead end... Pal.

gunnut

OK, here's my new conspiracy theory (and I have a lot of them ).

The biofuel industry is the west's counter to OPEC, but not in the way you think.

What does the industrialized west, especially the USA, have in abundance or can create in abundance?

Food.

We can feed the world if we want to. And so far we have, more or less.

OPEC restricts its members from pumping too much oil to control the price, just like any cartel would. It aims to extract as much money as possible from the industrialized west.

The west could form a cartel and restrict the export of food and thus control the food prices of the world, to the detriment of the 3rd world. But that's racist. We all know all "typical white" people are racists (Obama).

So how do we raise food prices, cause havoc in developing nations, and even stunt their population growth, without looking like a bunch of racists? We manufacture a false crisis like "global climate change" to shield our true intentions. With this fake crisis, we can divert our food resources from supplying food needs to supplying fuel needs. Less food means higher prices. Higher prices means smaller population growth. Lower population growth means fewer people to compete with us in the future for resources. It is a very devious plan indeed.

Damn I'm good. I think I should trade mark or patent this one.

And remember, you heard it here on WAB first.

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Albany Rifles

To burst your bubble, my dad gave a speech in 1974 in response to OPEC that we form OWEC w/ Canada 7 Australia...Organization of Wheat Exporting Countries.

You aren't the first!

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gunnut

Doh!

But you can't deny that great minds think alike.

And I took it one step further and linked it to the "global climate crisis."

Ironduke

Remember how we grew up on the whole rain forest is being cut down bit? Before biofuels were in vogue in the US, they were destroying the rainforest in Brazil to plant crops for biofuels.

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gunnut

I still don't see what the big deal is with the rain forest. It's a very recent development in earth's history, 25, maybe 30 million years. The earth was doing just fine before that. I'm sure the earth will do just fine if we chop it all down to grow food or make places to live. Most of the critters in there are dangerous anyways. More people probably die from the rain forest than gun fire every year.

Ironduke

The rainforest cleared out to grow crops is exhausted within a few years... the soil is very poor and cannot support modern agriculture, only slash and burn. Clear out the rainforest, and what will be left is desert, which cannot support much of anything.

Parihaka

The rainforest areas can support ongoing cropping, it just requires modern agricultural practices such as nitrogen fixing with root crops, crop rotation etc etc, none of which is practiced in those areas.
If the various authorities concentrated on teaching modern farming practices rather than simply trying to stop clearances happening, both problems would go away.

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7thsfsniper

Sounds like the old illuminati plan for a new world order? I think wheat should cost the same per bushel as oil does per barrel. The price of oil would drop overnight.

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gunnut

They're welcome to drink their oil while we eat our food.

Ironduke

There's little topsoil in rainforest environments. It's a few inches of topsoil on top of clay. Topsoils in Europe and America, by contrast, extend several feet.

7thsfsniper

Maybe they should drill for oil in the rainforest!

tiskew

It's a totally different thing.
At that time, everything is in balance, the speed of consumption, re-grew and everything.
But now , since our technology and endless demand, the earth can no longer balance the input and output.
And rainforest is the home to plenty of species, when the forest is gone, they are gone, the variety of the species on earth is getting less and less.

gunnut

If it's in balance, how did we evolve? Things don't change when they're in balance. Things change when they're out of whack.

We demand no more or no less than any other species, just in different forms.

There are plenty of species that are doing good because of us. They couldn't possibly have prospered without us. I think everything is in balance there.

tiskew

Good question. My assumption will be there were also climate change or other enviromental or big changes so that the Human Beings had to come down the tree and try another way of living. And since Humans' muscle is really not an advantage, we had to delop team work and brain using to ensure survival. This is only my assumption though.


Actually we asked too much from the nature such as Oil, Water, Air and etc. The ten T-Shirts, 15 Jeans, 10 Shoes, 2 computers, cellphones, Xboxes, Toyota and Gms are not coming from no where. And none of these will go back to nature in a proper way. Mostly in highly concentrated form which you don't find so much in nature. And the birds only breath some air, drink some water and some worms, the waste? will be good for plants. And plants is food for worms

Human is not the center of the universe, food chain itself is a very complicated system, once is broken, it will harm ourselves sooner or later. And I don't think anyone here would like to live in a world that only has human , right