Mobbme

I've been craving chinese food, especially the pork spring rolls, ever since the last thread we started discussing food And I have to wait till the weekend, because the place is over 20 mins away from me

Ironduke

Great. That means you can start up your own newspaper and report on whatever you please, film a documentary, write a book, and nothing has to go through a censor, right?
I can say whatever I want wherever I want.
You shouldn't want to murder someone because murder is wrong.

I was at the gym the other day, and when I went to a machine there was an iPod lying on the seat. As much as I would like an iPod, I had a sense of moral duty to bring it to the person at the desk. The girl came back, and I directed her to the desk.

I found a cell phone on my way to the gym yesterday, in a parking lot. As much as I liked the cell phone, I called somebody the owner had recently called and he figured out how to get ahold of me. The owner called me on his phone and a few minutes later we met up and I gave him his phone.

I don't need the US government to tell me the difference between right and wrong. I know the difference between them. In two days, I found an iPod and a cell phone worth about a total of $250. Sure, I would have liked to have those things. But because I know what the right thing is to do, I did it. I didn't need anybody to tell me what the right thing to do was.
So, if you desired, you would be permitted to buy a plot of land in Beijing and build a church if you pleased, and worship in completely free of interference by the state? Come on...
How is China inferior to countries that have progressed from one-party rule to multiparty democracy? Other countries have successfully made that progression.
Not an ounce of anti-American propaganda in your education?

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ace16807

I'm 18, male.

Going into university next year.

Sure


Yes. I've been there 8 times. I have family there.

If you're assuming 1st world nations in the West, sure. However, like it's been stated earlier, Japan managed to get back on it's feet in 60 years, and South Korea managed in 40 something.

Why does China insist on claiming Taiwan? It's just an island. Not many natural resources. No biggy, right?

There are these things called prisons, and there is also this thing called being killed for your views...

Good for you!

I beg to differ. Have you been to the countryside, or asked the really poor?

Seems to show that record. Communism doesn't seem to share that.

I'm pretty confident that it'd be able to.

Can't say that mine are.... :/

You don't criticize enough to bring about much change though... Actions are stronger than words.

I'm sure you do. That's how you were raised, and that's how your minds were molded. Same as us in the west, only less forcing, and more free thought after a certain time.

Most countries will. Don't count on everyone to be willing to stand up though... War is a scary thing. (not that I would know...)

So do people in Tibet!

I love my homeland, I enjoy going to China, and I too, am proud to be Chinese.

dave lukins

Time to kill the parodying Guys

antimony

[quote=Doriss;482946]I am Chinese.

25 years old. Female.

I am studying in the University as a postgraduate.
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Doriss,

Welcome to WAB.
I don't feel I have the need to quote my age, gender, ethnicity, education and license plate number before I respond to your questions/ points. I feel that is unncessary, given that there is an introduction thread, as well as somewhat insulting to you.

I think Dreadnought's post sums up the whole point rather nicely, but I will take this opportunity to answer some of your qustions.

1. Patriotism
You have periodically mentioned that you are proud to be Chinese. You should be, especially when you belong to such a rich culture, which extends back thousands of years. However, you are equating the Chinces people, culture, and nationality as a whole with the CCP. That is where we draw the line. I am from India, another civilization that dates back thousands of years. I do not equate my country's government with my country as a whole, since I know that those jokers are there because we, THE PEOPLE wanted them (those in government) for this term. We probably would kick them out the next term if the current government is deemed incapable of governing.

I believe that you do your countrymen a gross disservice by implying that they are not capable of democracy. India has already shown that the mere process of holding elections can be done even in a large country with a teeming population. I do not se any reason why China would not be able to do the same, especially since they have much better infrastructure in place. As to the actual nature of the electorate, I am not sure why you would feel that the Chinese would be any less capable in choosing their leaders than any other race in the world. I have met and worked with a number of different nationalities, including the chinese. I have not felt that they were signifcantly different from any other ethnic group in the choices they make or the logic they display in doing so.

Your motherland is cetainly worth for; again, please recognize the comments that you would have seen on this board on the Tibet- China or any other issue are aimed not at the Chinese people but at the CCP. Unlike you, we do not feel the need to equate a government with the country being governed.

Parihaka

Agreed. We (mods) have been taking a softly-softly approach to our influx of Chinese posters and bickering and insulting behaviour has occured during that time.
It's now time for our established members to take the lead in curtailing this activity and leave the few obvious trolls amongst the newbies to us.

Doriss, while I've made this post on your thread I'm not implying you are trolling.

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cirrrocco

Just adding the definition so she is well aware of what it means

Urban Dictionary: trolling

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Mobbme

But I love you pari

Adux

He is 47 and wears a THONG

Mobbme

ROFLLLL

Ironduke

Everybody who wishes to join in a mature and rational debate is more than welcome on the board. I for one would like to see a larger Chinese presence on the forum, it adds another angle to the debate.

locksun1

It's jokers like Albany Rifles that give Americans a bad name. At the end of the day, I've come to realize there are stupid and ignorant people everywhere in the world.

Rather than being patronizing, how about learning to respect other cultures and history. What makes you so sure democracy is a one size fits all solution. This sort of assumption contradicts the idea of free thinking and individuality doesn't it? What I mean is China has a history of thousands of years as other cultures in the world. Do you mean to say that you can change this into a democratic state overnight? It takes time and there's no doubt that CCP is aware this will one day be a reality.

Also, let's not kid ourselves. Democracy is easy to preach but not to practice. Look at how many people's rights are violated in the US by police brutality, profiling of muslims and blacks, prejudice against sexual orientation. The list goes on. Not smart to throw stones from a glass house.

China needs to develop at its own pace. If you don't know already, it's been crippled for decades since the imperialists carved their spheres of influence as a way of "helping" the Chinese.

I was born and raised in the US and have lived in China for years. You can't judge a book by its cover. I only knew about the mainland from the media and text books. Once you're here, I assure you, most of what you think you know is not the truth of the matter. You'll scratch your head wondering what everyone was talking about.

To pretend to know something without having experienced it first hand is foolish. Not sure how much Chinese or Tibetan history you've studied either. One would question your credibility but you're just another voice under the notion of democracy right? Try and figure out what sort of political and legal system is required to sort through 1.3 billion people under that same category.

Final thought. Politics and War are between governments. The Olympics is the opportunity for the Chinese people to take center stage in the world for the first time and to celebrate their hosting of a world event. More importantly from their perspective, a celebration of their continued improvement in the quality of life now and future generations.

So how's the air? Read up on it and you will find out how China is cracking down on emissions from companies and how to take more responsibility in environmental issues. Not sure if you'll find that on CNN. And I'm sure if you compare the US emissions during the Industrial Revolution, per capita, it probably wasn't better than China. Cannot compare a developing country with one already developed. How does a fast developing country support its growth and increase the quality of life for its people all in a quick time frame, it must use an abundance of resources. Common sense. Should China still continue to improve its emissions? Absolutely!

Parihaka

locksun1, I would suggest you revise the first sentence of your statement, we have been making allowance recently for new members but ad hominem attacks are not allowed under forum rules.
Hint: the edit button is bottom right of your post.

bolelander

Thats funny, Muslims or Moslems in India, sure get lots of right. They get their right to burn down houses of Christians and Hindus. The right to burn down churches and temples and get their mosques burned down. The right to live in fear of retaliation. Or is it the case of a westerner not being able to differentiate India and Pakistan? If its Pakistan they sure got the right to treat their women like s@#$. The right to fight with India in Kashmir and destroy a beautiful land. The right to burn down hindu temples and christian churches in Pakistan.
There are also a more major league of Muslims who got so much rights. USA's Iraq got their right to elect their own government, under USA's supervision. And the right to get killed any time. And also the right to be forced into becoming suicide bombers. Other Muslims who got so much human rights are USA's Afgan, ans USA's Palestine. USA is Major League the champion of Muslim's human rights and can be seen in countries they invaded and occupy.
China is bad too, playing in the minor league, nowhere near USA in the Human Rights Championship.

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ying

Take it easy. Locksun is an American, not Chinese. I am Chinese and was called “stupid” “idiot” more than one time in WAB.