I am Proud to be Chinese - Page 3

Doriss · 04-16-2008, 04:49 AM

[quote=Ironduke;483034].

Why doesn't the Chinese government allow people to say what they please? To form a civil society, which is the true bedrock of a stable society. Would the entire country collapse if people were to do and say as they please? Worship as they please? Associate peacefully with others? Be allowed due process of law? Require search warrants? Allow for free and fair elections? Would these things collapse China?

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We Chinese can say what we please. At least, we think so.

No one can do and say as they please, even your Americans. I want to kill you, but CCP will punish me, so I will not. Just an example. no offending.

We can worship as we please. We Chinese have our own Gods. You can not blame us just we did not worship your gods.

We have been trying our best to associate peacefully with others. But you are always always always criticizing us. Sorry, we are not so goo-tempered.

Free and fair election will surely collapse China. So we chinese prefer to insist to the unfree and unfair election. Anything has price. we are glad to pay.

you can say I am brain-washed... It is OK. We Chinese people are satisfied with the so-called cruel, and we glad to do this. Why you worry about us?? Just leave us alone is OK. We can handle.

Maybe the Iraqi people need help much more than us. Hope you can have a good communication with your congress. Good luck.

1947 · 04-16-2008, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Doriss

Free and fair election will surely collapse China. So we chinese prefer to insist to the unfree and unfair election. Anything has price. we are glad to pay.

is china that fragile that a multi party democracy will see the country collapse?

Doriss · 04-16-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by snc128

Doriss,
I read your arguments and let me explain my thoughts.
about free speech;
I, personally, support free speech at all costs. but since it is a "playdooh" anymore, it is open for abusing. one should think the consequences of her/his words and speak later. as a famous saying "think twice, say once".but all of this stuff has nothing to do when we talk about Tibet, Xinjiang or Taiwan. (I mentioned these because the subject is China,yet the familiar problems are almost everywhere). I can ignore media,media often lies,this is the truth; but what about videos, documents and 1st hand experiences,stories? I do not think they all conspire upon CCP.

I completely agree. on the other hand, the opposite of your free speech worries is "oppression". It may be arguable, but in my opinion: the right way is the middle path (nothing should be exaggrated).anyway, the free speech is rarely being applied,even in democracies. WAB isnot a democracy but again you can speak freely.

I am not hostile Cina and its ppl but what they have done to Tibet and Xinjiang. that is how I am against PKK,AQ, Iraqi war, Hezbollah terrorists,Israel terrorism,Armenian-Turkish incidents and so on.

SIN128,
Thank you for moderate explaination.
Maybe I disagree with your opinions in some aspects, but I still grateful for your politeness.

I entered in this forum by chance. And what I saw hurt me. Our nation has defects, and maybe there are quite a lot. But she is sill my motherland. We Chinese people seldom criticise other countries, unless they criticise us. So I just can not believe my eys what evil wors they applied to my courtry. You think Chinese are dragons, but we are really kind people, and the CCP is not the one you think.

Whether you believe or not.

snc128 · 04-16-2008, 05:29 AM

WAB is a really good place to have good friends and to learn different point of views.but since we have various members from all over the world and there is not a specific age interval, you may face violent opposition. the point is, you should differentiate the valuable posts and valuable members to be able to have a healthy discussion and learn something from them.
(quote of Ray’s quote : “I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.”)

kuku · 04-16-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Doriss

We Chinese can say what we please. At least, we think so.

No one can do and say as they please, even your Americans. I want to kill you, but CCP will punish me, so I will not. Just an example. no offending.

If that is the only reason why you wont kill him, it indeed is sad.

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Free and fair election will surely collapse China. So we chinese prefer to insist to the unfree and unfair election. Anything has price. we are glad to pay.

Why would China collapse?

Your people are peace loving as you say, and certainly hard working, they are also good at commerce, you have a strong culture, a strong art, a glorious history.

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you can say I am brain-washed... It is OK. We Chinese people are satisfied with the so-called cruel, and we glad to do this. Why you worry about us?? Just leave us alone is OK. We can handle.

No one is forcing you to exist with others in this world, and no one has forced you to be a part of this world, however now your nation is recognized as a rising power which is interacting with many nations, with this criticism will be there-naturally so.

To respond to that criticism is your choice, just as to criticize you is the choice of the person/government who/which chooses to do so.

nonameitis · 04-16-2008, 05:34 AM

so we need to protect china

OnlinePhuntsho · 04-16-2008, 05:41 AM

There is absolutely no problem in having pride to be Chinese...good you are one! But even let the Tibetans also feel proud to be Tibetans and not Chinese!

ying · 04-16-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OnlinePhuntsho

There is absolutely no problem in having pride to be Chinese...good you are one! But even let the Tibetans also feel proud to be Tibetans and not Chinese!

Indian Buddhist?

OnlinePhuntsho · 04-16-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ying

Indian Buddhist?

Once again, the question is not whether one is Indian Buddhist or Thai Buddhist...

Let the Tibetans live freely and let them feel proud to be Tibetans and not Chinese!

ying · 04-16-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OnlinePhuntsho

Once again, the question is not whether one is Indian Buddhist or Thai Buddhist...

Let the Tibetans live freely and let them feel proud to be Tibetans and not Chinese!

no need to be so defensive. I am some kind of buddist, of course, Chinese buddist. I am just interesting in the opinions, if you have, on Tibetan buddism from the perspective of Indian buddists.

ChrisF202 · 04-16-2008, 06:13 AM

Whats up with all the Chinese flooding the forum with posts about how the Tibet thing is made up, China is so free and democratic, etc? Im beginning to feel like im at a re-education camp or something.

Its amazing how blind some of them are to reality. Its actually quite sad

kams · 04-16-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisF202

Whats up with all the Chinese flooding the forum with posts about how the Tibet thing is made up, China is so free and democratic, etc? Im beginning to feel like im at a re-education camp or something.

Its amazing how blind some of them are to reality. Its actually quite sad

It's amazing, isn't it? It's as if a Bejing released a whole pack of brainwashed parrots from a gulag to expound it's democratic crdentials.

Sigh..I do welcome new members, but reading the same piece again and again is getting tiresome.

OnlinePhuntsho · 04-16-2008, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

Whats up with all the Chinese flooding the forum with posts about how the Tibet thing is made up, China is so free and democratic, etc? Im beginning to feel like im at a re-education camp or something.

Its amazing how blind some of them are to reality. Its actually quite sad

Tragic indeed, and this ignorance comes at the cost of so many innocent lives perishing at the hands of a brutal senseless Government...

Henry Box · 04-16-2008, 06:39 AM

Appreciate you and sustain CCP

We believe CCP will make our life more comfortable than other people in the future.

OnlinePhuntsho · 04-16-2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry Box

Appreciate you and sustain CCP

We believe CCP will make our life more comfortable than other people in the future.

And CCP will even make life miserable for millions of others in Xizang, Qinghai and Xinjiang at the cost of making you happy. Seems like a brilliant idea...now ain't it?

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Doriss New Member Join Date: 04-15-08 Location: China Posts: 15 Country:	[quote=Ironduke;483034]. Why doesn't the Chinese government allow people to say what they please? To form a civil society, which is the true bedrock of a stable society. Would the entire country collapse if people were to do and say as they please? Worship as they please? Associate peacefully with others? Be allowed due process of law? Require search warrants? Allow for free and fair elections? Would these things collapse China? QUOTE] We Chinese can say what we please. At least, we think so. No one can do and say as they please, even your Americans. I want to kill you, but CCP will punish me, so I will not. Just an example. no offending. We can worship as we please. We Chinese have our own Gods. You can not blame us just we did not worship your gods. We have been trying our best to associate peacefully with others. But you are always always always criticizing us. Sorry, we are not so goo-tempered. Free and fair election will surely collapse China. So we chinese prefer to insist to the unfree and unfair election. Anything has price. we are glad to pay. you can say I am brain-washed... It is OK. We Chinese people are satisfied with the so-called cruel, and we glad to do this. Why you worry about us?? Just leave us alone is OK. We can handle. Maybe the Iraqi people need help much more than us. Hope you can have a good communication with your congress. Good luck.

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