snc128

what does this supposed to mean?

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Ray

I presume he is stating that even minorities are well represented in all levels of society.

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

ying

surprised you?

Ray

Must have surprised you.

Xinjiang you thought was the only place where Moslems are, right?

And they are not getting their rights, so how come Moslems are in India and they are getting their rights, correct, what ho?!!

bolo121

And Pari for teh win.....

1947

given the recent pariah status of muslims by ignorant anti-muslim people
muslims in aust and india enjoy security mainly due to true multi party democracy
im an indian catholic a minority in india sometimes we face harassment from hindu nationalist nutjobs but we never felt alienated once in india due to the fact that we knew the govt would never harm us and we have representatives in the govt mainly congress party who have had a very secular history

Doriss

My English is not so well, after all, the British did not stay in China for thati so so so long time. I feel sorry for the confusion.

Ironduke

Highly fallacious argument. I've seen this before with multicultural apologists who say that because Islam was founded 600 years after Christianity, we ought not to judge practices in the Islamic world not by the standards of today, but rather the standards that existed in medieval Europe.

Date of industrialization has nothing to do with the amount of human rights a society should have relative to others. Look at England, even they had requirements for search and arrest warrants, due process, prohibitions on torture, self-incrimination etc., hundreds of years ago.

Why doesn't the Chinese government allow people to say what they please? To form a civil society, which is the true bedrock of a stable society. Would the entire country collapse if people were to do and say as they please? Worship as they please? Associate peacefully with others? Be allowed due process of law? Require search warrants? Allow for free and fair elections? Would these things collapse China?

I live in the most heavily criticized country in the world, for some years running. Yet I don't run around implying that others have no right to criticize the United States because they haven't been here, because they don't live here. I grin and bear it. If I feel like it, I debate it.

It's called growing a thick skin.

And since when should a country's population and diversity determine the amount of freedoms its citizens should enjoy? If that's the case, then North Korea ought to be completely free. It has a small population, and its ethnically homogeneous. Using that logic, the United States ought to be one of the most unfree countries, as it has fifteen-fold the population and is one of the most diverse.

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ned kelly

32. Male. honors economics.....should i send you my CV too?
1. 5 trips to China over 10 yrs. even if i had not visited China i could still criticize your appalling human rights record, your dislocation of tibetans by chinese in their own land ( the same thing done by indonesia in east timor and yes white anglo saxons of aborigines in australia 200+ years ago )....or to answer your question about visiting china i am reminded that i dont have to stick my hand in a pot of boiling water to know its hot
2. japan was destroyed after world war 2 industrially and they managed to re-industrialize in 30-40 years......their human rights look ok to me...
3. oars in someone's boat? when i see any nation being illegally invaded, occupied etc by any other nation it is my right and desire to speak up against this. By the way, i have protested iraq and various other western interventions too
4. yes, you may have a better lifestyle now versus 10 years ago, but hitler did well for the germans pre world war 2 and mussolini got the trains running on time, that doesn't equate to a more equitable and prosperous nation
5. as said above, India, Indonesia....populations of 1 billion and 250 million...both democracies...seem to be doing well.
6. you want respect....respect is earnt not just given.....

and how does it feel to be one of a few communist dictatorships left in the world? Vietnam seemed to leave China well behind in their peoples material standard of living/general happiness ( 3 trips there )....

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ying

Is it popular to show the age, gender, and nationality before posting one’s points?

Doriss

They elected Bush under your democratical system. He invaded Iraq. Yes, you protested. And? the results? foreign armies are sill in Iraq. Yes, people of Iraq can enjoy much more so-called democracies, but now they are worrying the bombs everyday.. it is better than democracy?? I hope so.

Ray

It means you do not read the thread and follow it and instead chip in to test the waters.

Yes, that is also a way.

Read the first post!

He was just being a gentleman since the Chinese women posters are quick to react about being gentlemen when they have nothing much to contribute towards the thread.

1947

nah i just think people are parodying doriss posts

snc128

Doriss,
I read your arguments and let me explain my thoughts.
about free speech;
I, personally, support free speech at all costs. but since it is a "playdooh" anymore, it is open for abusing. one should think the consequences of her/his words and speak later. as a famous saying "think twice, say once".but all of this stuff has nothing to do when we talk about Tibet, Xinjiang or Taiwan. (I mentioned these because the subject is China,yet the familiar problems are almost everywhere). I can ignore media,media often lies,this is the truth; but what about videos, documents and 1st hand experiences,stories? I do not think they all conspire upon CCP.

I completely agree. on the other hand, the opposite of your free speech worries is "oppression". It may be arguable, but in my opinion: the right way is the middle path (nothing should be exaggrated).anyway, the free speech is rarely being applied,even in democracies. WAB isnot a democracy but again you can speak freely.

I am not hostile Cina and its ppl but what they have done to Tibet and Xinjiang. that is how I am against PKK,AQ, Iraqi war, Hezbollah terrorists,Israel terrorism,Armenian-Turkish incidents and so on.

ned kelly

wow, guess what options i have that you don't? since i and 60% of the australian population disagreed with this iraq policy, we sacked all our politicians in the most recent elections......and australia is now removing out combat troops from iraq...

democracy in action.....

when did you get to vote you any of your countries political parties/policies/politicians....???

let me see, other govt's that supported this are also gone and removing troops, spain etc.....

even the US will be out of there eventually...