ravi12

Do you understand the word "generic", with this I seriously doubt your claim as being a lawyer.
"assitance" or was it "orders by"?

ravi12

Zraver,
that is against an "adult", now how about indian "kid" pulsar to gulsar.
The Hindu Business Line : Chinese checker

China has an "official" policy of being a scientific pirate. Interesting thing is someone actually tried to import this gulsar to India and srilanka

ying

astralis

No objection to your points. What I tried to say is not CCP is good. On the contrary, I think CCP is "bloody" as same as capitalism. The situation in China now is, we have to fight with not only our traditional enemy, CCP, but also the capitalism mainly represented by western world. What makes the person, like me, so uncomfortable is that westerners always claim all the bad things are done by CCP or Chinese people. You guys do not understand how painful it is for Chinese to change from a traditional agriculture society to a capitalism one. We do not complain. But we also are not happy to be called “criminals” or “cheaters’.

I noticed some threads you posted. I have to say you are fully aware of the problems of China even than most Chinese. I tried to translate your points into Chinese and post them in Chinese board. But unfortunately, all of them were deleted.

ying

I do understand the meaning of "generic" being a lawyer worked somehow for MSF.

ravi12

The thing is only china is not converting, Other countries too are converting and are going through the same "painful" process. Any project in India will take 10 times longer than china and 3 times longer than any other western country - simply because we are an agricultural country.
Nobody accuses India with 65% population even today dependent on agriculture, to be criminals or cheaters, I wonder why??
So instead of accusing others that you are not being "sympathetic", probably you can see what is "bad" with china and correct it.

There are "rules" of the game - which china breaks and when others protest, you dont want us to even say that china broke the rules??

If china doesnt want to play by the "western rules", let them state what their rules are - so that others can also play by those "chinese rules". On the face, saying we are playing by western rules and then not following them when they are not in your benefit, in one single word, it is called "cheating" and is done by "criminals".

gunnut

Is that why we don't give a flying rat's ass about the Olympics?

We have nothing to prove

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ravi12

the 1984 los angeles olympics was the one, where US was in the same situation and when the USSR countries didnt participate.

Oh common! olympics is always about the host country. If you are not hosting, no one else gives a rats ass , except to prick that host country. However I should say that the atlanta olympics went off very well.

ying

That because India is a “good boy” but China is a “bad boy” from the perspective of some westerners. India is more westernized than China in terms of value and belief system. Western world don’t consider India as a threat since you share the same value. (another reason maybe is India agrees to be the alliance of western army? I am not familiar with military affairs. So just guess. ) On the contrary, China is still an unknown world to western. People always fear the things they are not familiar with. Same situation in China. Most Chinese believe the western world is their enemy. This kind of fear and misunderstanding should not be continued. Both parties should learn how to understand others and do not impose its own ideas on other nations. Did you see the movie “Babble”? I think we should learn something from that film.

It seems you are ignorant about the anti-WTO movement. I don’t agree some points of those activists who criticize the current rule of game, but I do realize that the rule is not unanimously supported and accepted by all nations through my reading on the points they put forward. It’s groundless for you to say “protected by everyone”. Moreover, I don’t think you may represent India. Some Indian NGOs are the strong opponents to the “rules” you support.

China will follow the rules since we agree to do so. But it doesn’t mean we have no doubt on the legitimacy and fairness of the rules. Now China, actually, not only China, it should be developing countries, will change the current rules gradually, I believe.

Regarding the terms like “cheaters”, I don’t want to do any more argument for your childish comments. Search in the internet, you will not be surprised to find out how Indian are called and criticized by other nations in terms of the way you Indian doing business. Some Chinese are bad and it is also ture that some Indian are bad. Stop stereotyping is the first thing you guys should know before make any conclusions on other nations.

ravi12

another of the commie propaganda of India being a capitalist lapdog. In the cold war, India was on Soviet side and it was china which ran to US. So before you say, use facts.

No I didnt see Babble.
Guess what hero, when we sign it - we abide by it. There are 1000s of NGO which have different views. But when India signed it, the Indian Govt and India itself will abide by it. When you sign it, you have accepted the rules. We didnt sign the NPT even today, because we dont accept the rules.

Not like we sign it, use its benefits but when asked to do your duties - china doesnt do it. It is called "cheating". If you dont accept the rules, come out of the treaty or better dont sign it at all. You cant have it both ways.
When you sign a paper, you abide ALL its rules. One doesnt get to pick and choose. China signed the relevant patent law and so what it does amounts to "cheating", no two ways about it.

The simple problem is individual Indians might cheat, here the chinese govt cheats - apples and oranges.

Am I calling the chinese people as a whole as cheats? Read it again, Do I call the govt as cheating and thus making it an official cheater nation - yes. If someone forcibly sexually assaults someone , he is in a single letter english word called a "rapist". If you dont want the word "cheater" -give me any word which will give the equivalent word of "someone who signs a contract, reaps its benefits but doesnt stick to his end of the bargain"- I am damn well ok with it. I have 0 affinity to the word -cheater.

ying

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When you sign a paper, you abide ALL its rules. One doesnt get to pick and choose. China signed the relevant patent law and so what it does amounts to "cheating", no two ways about it.


The simple problem is individual Indians might cheat, here the chinese govt cheats - apples and oranges.
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I have to say I didn’t find too much disagreement between us except some misunderstandings.

One misunderstanding is you think Chinese government is breaking her words. No, I have to say it is not the truth. Copyright infringement is not encouraged in China by Chinese government no matter the copyright is owned by Chinese or western companies. On the contrary, copyright infringement is illegal and even considered to be serious crime in some cases. It is some individual Chinese and enterprises that produce copied goods, not Chinese government. It’s all about “economic incentives” and has nothing to do the promise of Chinese government. I do believe the central government is really doing something to improve the copyright protection in China since the infringement of copyright can not bring any direct economic benefits to it rather than international pressures. But you have to understand, there are too many greedy people want to make big money and don’t care copyright. And they are usually protected by some local governments. The protection of copyright is not an easy task to the Chinese central government which has to fight against the local governments, criminals, and extreme-nationalists.

Bigfella

Thank you for the kind words sir.

I don't know how much I understand the 'real' China, but I do understand dictatorships. They are a blight on humanity. They assume the worst about the people who need them most and promote an essentially negative view of people.

I have a great respect for the Chinese people. I think they are an intelligent, sensible people. They should be allowed to speak their minds & choose their government. I only wish their government had as positive a view.

As for me, I've always thought of myself as more of a Social Democratic strolling dog.

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Ray

That had me in splits!!

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Ray

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Cactus

Numbers breakdown-per-ethnicity doesn't matter for the purpose of analyzing imperial control: Black cat, white cat, gray cat... they all caught the mouse the India Office wanted caught. For analyzing control you need information on troops' recruitment and training practices, unit-by-unit mission tasking, area of responsibility etc. A single 5-man MG placement at one end of a bazar provides one kind of control, three 10-man patrols moving around in the bazar provides a differet type of control; both are equally important in the role they play for establishing control.

The Russian (later Soviet) threat was the internal security threat. Just as a side-note: usually around 40,000 troops (i.e the Quetta Division + brigades and flying columns) formed the regular presence on the Frontier; another 40,000 locally retained tribesmen constituted the various pro-British lashkars.

No, it was not.

What do you not think so? Does such politices not generate fear, instability and confusion? And whoever said it was a China-specific problem? It is the general problem with China. Doesn't my afterthought clearly illustrate that others do it too (to even greater extent than the Chinese)?

citanon

Big fella,

I'm a Chinese American who was born in China during the late 70s. I'd like to ask you for a bit more detail on your view of China's government system. Saying that its a dictatorship just isn't specific enough since there are many governments around the world that can arguably called some sort of dictatorship: Russian under Putin, Singapore, Mexico under PRI, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, etc. All of these are different in detail and ill suited for portrayal with a wide brush.

Having lived in the 80s in China, and heard lots of first hand accounts about life before then, I have to tell you my personal impression is that China has, objectively, made strides in human rights in all areas, social, economic, and even political. Much of this was ad hoc and none of these gains are adequate, but it seems that the trends are in the right direction in many ways.

It is true that often times, new posters from mainland China tend to communicate poorly (due to a foreign culture) ideas that are a bit naive, ignorant and nationalistic and tend to oversimplify the issue. Frankly, however, the recent sentiments regarding China expressed in this thread has contained its share of similar maladies from all sides. This is not something I see most of the time on this board.