Does anyone feel that the West is under attack? - Page 6

Bigfella · 03-29-2008, 21:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Jesus wept man, you're going to be enrolling me for man-hug classes next.

What, and deprive the sheep of all that healthy Kiwi man-love. Not a chance.

7thsfsniper · 03-30-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Jesus wept man, you're going to be enrolling me for man-hug classes next.

NO, NO, Don't do it. It could be construed as man-shame. Unless of course you're going to lift some thing heavy, kill something, or just keep suppressing.

dalem · 03-30-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigfella

There is a subtext in your posts that I am somehow looking to punish men or seek reveng for past injustice. If you think this, you are wrong.

Lightly drunk and cigared now. Coherent reply later. Sir.

-dale

Zemco · 03-30-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

No no Ivan:

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most significant change in families in the past two decades has been the shift from two-parent to one-parent families. This was more pronounced in the 1980s, when the share of one-parent families increased from 14 to 24 percent, than in the 1990s, when it rose to 29 percent. One-parent families are expected to continue to increase, but at a slower rate. Family projections based on trends since 1986 suggest that by 2021, one-parent families are projected to make up around 35 percent of all families with dependent children. For many of these families there will be parents living in another household who are actively involved in the care and upbringing of the children.

It's high, but nowhere as high as Bel is quoting it. And yes, men do need to step up to the plate.

From March 27, 2007 USCB press release:

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The percentage of households headed by single parents showed little variation from 1994 through 2006, at about 9 percent, up from 5 percent in 1970, according to the latest data on America’s families and households released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

According to Families and Living Arrangements: 2006, there were 12.9 million one-parent families in 2006 — 10.4 million single-mother families and 2.5 million single-father families.

Just over two-thirds (67 percent) of the nation’s 73.7 million children younger than 18 lived with two married parents in 2006. Also in 2006, there were an estimated 5.8 million stay-at-home parents: 5.6 million mothers and 159,000 fathers.

It must be worse where you all are. The system is just fubar'd here, with clear constitutional violations.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-31-2008, 00:26 AM

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Well you certainly wetted my appetite with your introduction Glyn, my week end reading................many thanks

James Lovelock general presentation and home page in English

Thought provoking is an understatement Glyn, what a truly fascinating man, I will certainly be reading more

brokensickle · 03-31-2008, 02:33 AM

Correct. Of course, different people may argue over what is 'unjust', but the principle is precisely what I advocate. Taking this example there are & were men who enjoyed being in that position of power. If it is the loss of that power that causes them hurt, is that an acceptable price to pay for undoing what I think we can agree is a greater injustice to women?

For the majority the West treats woman really well, Thankfully so, and I for one.

Bark up the tree of those who are really mistreating their woman in the Majority. You know who I mean.

It's much harder to exscoriate brutal men though, isn't it?

It's easier to criticise us reasonable men though, isn't it?

Ivan

dalem · 03-31-2008, 17:02 PM

[quote=Bigfella;475294]

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Originally Posted by dalem

There is a subtext in your posts that I am somehow looking to punish men or
seek reveng for past injustice. If you think this, you are wrong.

Well, your posts certainly validate my interpretation. But no matter.

-dale

**Parihaka** · 03-31-2008, 17:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemco

It must be worse where you all are. The system is just fubar'd here, with clear constitutional violations.

It is. Since the mid 70's we've had what we call the domestic purposes benefit, which is welfare for single parents and is paid IIRC up until the youngest child is 16. I'm in no way decrying the purpose of the benefit which was to counter the effects of all those families abandoned by the fathers, but an unwanted side effect is that within certain sectors of society it's now seen as the normal way of raising children.
In other words it's a lifestyle choice. What is needed and what is progressively being introduced is forcing the fathers to contribute to their children by deducting income from them via their personal income tax, but as many are also on welfare themselves you can see it's a catch 22.

entropy · 03-31-2008, 20:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

It is. Since the mid 70's we've had what we call the domestic purposes benefit, which is welfare for single parents and is paid IIRC up until the youngest child is 16. I'm in no way decrying the purpose of the benefit which was to counter the effects of all those families abandoned by the fathers, but an unwanted side effect is that within certain sectors of society it's now seen as the normal way of raising children.
In other words it's a lifestyle choice. What is needed and what is progressively being introduced is forcing the fathers to contribute to their children by deducting income from them via their personal income tax, but as many are also on welfare themselves you can see it's a catch 22.

Outlaw people on welfare to have children.

**Parihaka** · 03-31-2008, 20:56 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

Outlaw people on welfare to have children.

And what would your penalties be for those who disobey?

entropy · 03-31-2008, 20:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

And what would your penalties be for those who disobey?

I knew you would ask.

Take away their parent rights.

**Parihaka** · 03-31-2008, 21:20 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

I knew you would ask.

Take away their parent rights.

And do what with the children? Raise them in a orphanage? Sterilize the parents so they can't have any more? Deny all poor people on benefits or likely to go on benefits the right to have children? Forced abortions?

entropy · 03-31-2008, 21:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

And do what with the children? Raise them in a orphanage? Sterilize the parents so they can't have any more?

What do they do with children whose parents are, well, on the rim of society?
Give them to relatives until the parents can provide for themselves and their children, otherwise, adoption or orphanage.

To sterilize parents is only something I would encourage to be used in case of permanent incompetence (history of serious drug abuse or violence and the like).

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Deny all poor people on benefits or likely to go on benefits the right to have children?

Depends on situation (how long in poverty, other factors).

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Forced abortions?

If I say yes, forum members will remind me about Austrian art school failures.

rj1 · 04-05-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Sterilize the parents so they can't have any more?

North Carolina did this through the 1960s or 1970s I believe.

There's a court case that the state is settling currently with a woman that was kinda forced to be sterilized by social workers or her family would lose their welfare.

Ray · 04-05-2008, 15:11 PM

Bring in police State!

Big Brother will solve every problem.

03-31-2008, 02:33 AM	#81 (permalink)
brokensickle *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 10-28-06 Posts: 761	Hmm... Correct. Of course, different people may argue over what is 'unjust', but the principle is precisely what I advocate. Taking this example there are & were men who enjoyed being in that position of power. If it is the loss of that power that causes them hurt, is that an acceptable price to pay for undoing what I think we can agree is a greater injustice to women? For the majority the West treats woman really well, Thankfully so, and I for one. Bark up the tree of those who are really mistreating their woman in the Majority. You know who I mean. It's much harder to exscoriate brutal men though, isn't it? It's easier to criticise us reasonable men though, isn't it? Ivan __________________ "Evil opposes freedom and uses those who pervert it as pawns to destroy it."

04-05-2008, 15:11 PM	#90 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,977 Country:	Bring in police State! Big Brother will solve every problem. __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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