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Old 04-10-2008, 06:51 AM   #91 (permalink)
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one reason is simply the matter of losing face. it's very hard for them to negotiate when they've been saying all along this is non-negotiable.

second would be that this course of action would be very, very unpopular with the chinese themselves. between keeping popular support and international condemnation, the CCP will choose the first every time.

this isn't a big surprise- most governments given that choice will take the first.
we chinese have lost face? oh, can you tell me, who can do it to 1300000000 people's face? now,we are no face anymore? good,we are ghost now
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Old 04-10-2008, 07:26 AM   #92 (permalink)
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They wouldn't be so *****y if they saw themselves having an advantage. And for doing what ever it wants, it can't. If china pulls a Sudan their economy would tumble.

china has just reminded the free world how disgusting of a regime they have, a net loss for them. Before the protests, people called the Olympics the genocide games in relation to china's support for the Sudan and Burma - now china has earned itself a spot on its own merits. For a nation so damn thin skinned this is a black eye. The fiction of a new china is over.
The reality is, they never care this "free world" thing. I am not judging who is bad or good, just talk about the reality.
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:46 AM   #93 (permalink)
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The reality is, they never care this "free world" thing. I am not judging who is bad or good, just talk about the reality.

Why the quotes around free world? I certainly don't believe I need any quotation marks aroudn that phrase.
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:56 AM   #94 (permalink)
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Why the quotes around free world? I certainly don't believe I need any quotation marks aroudn that phrase.
Because it's from his post.

Also the "free world" is not that free. China has no limit on drinking age and place, you can drink anywhere you want. Almost anyone in China can make alcohol and sell them in the market, the tax is extremely low.

Limiting that freedom will cause way bigger problem than refusing people's voting right.
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we chinese have lost face? oh, can you tell me, who can do it to 1300000000 people's face? now,we are no face anymore? good,we are ghost now

Sigh...

read very carefully what Astralis wrote. Where did he say that Chinese have lost face?
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Because it's from his post.

Also the "free world" is not that free. China has no limit on drinking age and place, you can drink anywhere you want. Almost anyone in China can make alcohol and sell them in the market, the tax is extremely low.

Limiting that freedom will cause way bigger problem than refusing people's voting right.
Unlimited access to alcohol does not make for a free world, just a drunk one. See USSR 1917 - 1991. Plenty of alcohol there, not much freedom.
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Unlimited access to alcohol does not make for a free world, just a drunk one. See USSR 1917 - 1991. Plenty of alcohol there, not much freedom.

Sir, you are trying to tell him that USSR was bad?

You know come to think about definition of freedom, Somalia must be the freest nation in the whole world..you can get away with murder..literally so!
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Unlimited access to alcohol does not make for a free world, just a drunk one. See USSR 1917 - 1991. Plenty of alcohol there, not much freedom.
It's a pretty big difference of the definition of "freedom" between Chinese and westerners. Chinese pay more attention to the "freedom" in the personal life, not politics.

You can't grab a Chinese kid and send him to social assistance due to his parent trying to discipline him, that will cause a revolution for sure, not voting right.
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It's a pretty big difference of the definition of "freedom" between Chinese and westerners. Chinese pay more attention to the "freedom" in the personal life, not politics.

You can't grab a Chinese kid and send him to social assistance due to his parent trying to disciplining him, that will cause a revolution for sure, not voting right.
You can't do that in the US either. That only happens in cases of neglect or abuse. A spanking is not grounds to remove a child from custody.

Oh and I heartily disagree. The ability to vote ones conscience is a very big part of freedom. You say that is a Western thought. Well you are correct in that. And it is a cherished right here in the West. It is sad that more people do not appreciate that right and use it. But then, it is their right not to.

And as for personal freedoms? I welcome you to come and look here in Southside Vriginia and I will show you what personal freedom is about.
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Let's agree to disagree. There is no common ground about definition of "freedom", so it has to be quoted. The first thing for Chinese copying western society system will be a revolution, nothing else.

They're different value systems.
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They're different value systems.
That has become very apparent as of late. I'll stick with mine, thanks.
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Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet?

YouTube - Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet?
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The reality is, they never care this "free world" thing. I am not judging who is bad or good, just talk about the reality.
I can disagree with my government openly, can a Uighur, Han, Mongol, Manchu or Tibetan in China? I can call Bush a queer or say Hillary Clinton used to be a man. I have the freedom to express myself and the freedom to criticize my government along with numerous other freedoms. I have a right to bear arms, freedom of religion - hell I can just read through the bill of rights.

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They're different value systems.
********, America is a republic with respect for personal rights, welcomes dissent, has a healthy freedom of the press and so forth - China is ruled by a bunch of thugs who don't allow for freedom of the press, elections or human rights.


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Whereas China wanted to showcase the Olympic Flame travelling around all points of the compass as a huge propaganda blitz that the Chinese have 'arrived' on the world superpower map, they have instead shown that leopards can't change their spots.
I agree they just reminded the world they are run by a bunch of thugs.
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And you mist not forget to tell about human rights to your child every night as when sates that Tibet is his!!
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we chinese have lost face? oh, can you tell me, who can do it to 1300000000 people's face? now,we are no face anymore? good,we are ghost now
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