Ray

Can I request for a time out?

Ladies and Gentlemen, don't attack the Chinese people as such. I have many Chinese friends and I vouch for them that they are as good as you and me.

It is the Communists and their propagandists (running dogs to use their phrase) who are the menace on Planet Earth.

Apples and Oranges and Cabbage too!

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

S-2

Brigadier,

"Your are also of Chinese descent!"

No sir. A past life, perhaps. I might wish at times but caucasian. Born in Taiwan.

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Officer of Engineers

I'm having a hard time keeping this in perspective. It's being way overblown by everybody, least of all by the CCP. It was a riot. Nothing more. Nothing less. Listening to the Chinese, you would think that this was the start of another Civil War. Listening to the Tibetans, you would think that this was a long time coming.

Then simple question. Why did it last only one day?

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Tronic

Sir, we don't know if it lasted only one day. Tibet is a finely sealed up society. The Tibetan exile community in India, who are in touch with their relatives in Tibet, certainly do not show that it was a one day thing. After the riots in Lhasa, other parts of Tibet literally erupted into riots. Hundreds of Tibetans are feared dead, and sadly now many more will perish in Chinese jails the rest of their lives. They actually showed a short clip from Tibet where a handful of monks in Lhasa stood in defiance of the Chinese by waving the Tibetan flag (or the "reactionary flag" for the Chinese); I fear to even think about what happened to those monks. And the way this has erupted all over the world talks volumes of the oppression of Tibetans. I know that in the 19 years of my life, this is the first time I'm seeing anything like this. This certainly wakes your conscience.

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-Touch The Sky With Glory

Hu Jintao

I agree, it's a riot, and it's the last chance for Dalai, as he said.

Cactus

Conversely, isn't it also the Chinese government's last chance to deal with the last credible Dalai Lama? Surely, they don't expect all the Tibetans to mechanically accept their state-sanctioned reincarnation? It will invariably lead to an Avignon Papacy Style one Dalai Lama and another Anti-Dalai Lama in the near-term.

In the long-term, if the uncertainty and divided loyalties continue, Buddhism itself may collapse in Tibet altogether. Oh, it may seem a good idea to the Chinese government now... but what will replace it? It can be any one of a number of possibilities: If the good Colonel's identification of the Tibetan ethnic leanings is correct, they may well choose to join their fellow Turkic peoples who embraced Islam over the centuries; alternatively/concurrently the refugee Tibetans may start moving towards Christianity in their contact with the foreigners.

Hu Jintao

No, Chines don't need Dalai, died or alive. If you go to San Francisco today, you will understand.

Rich or poor, no Chinese gives Dalai a damn, he is the OBL Chinese version.

We have people like this, that's good enough for everything.

kams

That makes my Day! ROFLMAO.

OOE this is really getting hilarious! I am just thinking about slapping a Tibetian Flag bumper sticker and drive to work tomorrow . It will be fun, with many Chinese origin colleagues I have. (Hoping that one of them may get so pissed off, he may seriously damage the junk I drive, insurance will take care of the rest)

Officer of Engineers

I know it was a one day riot based upon the CARP and the PLA's reactions. And I do not buy the exiled Tibetan claims at all because they have yet to produce one authenticated photo of a dead Tibetan.

I know for a fact that the names that the exiled Tibetan community have produced to be from dead Titetans who claimed to have died in these riots as to be completely lies. One thing the CCP has done is to confirm the names from Tibet's own records.

I have more than enough false evidence provided by the exiled Tibetan community that I cannot trust their evidence. That does not mean the CCP is telling the truth but it does mean the exiled Tibetans are telling lies.

kams

Sir,
One day or a week, it was just a riot. Just can't understand how the heck Chinese gov. screwed this up so badly!

Even now, what is the point of conducting those conducted media tours! It's only creating a stereotype image of China, and nobody will ever take a word of Chinese gov. seriously (Just like the some of the posters here).

Why can't China even pretend to think about talks till Olympics is over! After that attention will no longer be on them!

Officer of Engineers

Thank You, Kams for asking the non-partipant questions. The answer is that I don't know. One thing that everybody is worried about is getting their side of the story out and nobody is worried about verifiying it.

Chinese Muslims, the Hui, who cannot be blamed to be supporting the CCP has blamed the Tibetans for 200 Hui deaths.

So what does that say?

Be advised that I am not supporting the CCP but it does show that the Tibetans have very little credibility amongst China's other miniorites.

Tronic

Sir, it is not only the claim of the Tibetan exiles which leads me to believe widespread unrest beyond Lhasa, but what the foreign journalists have filmed before being booted out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk27frlLFo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbTsNu08Xqs

Officer of Engineers

In absence of any information you can trust, trust what you do know. What is the deployment of both the CAPF and the PLA? That will tell you how much force they're bringing to bear and by extraction, how much resistence the Tibetans are actually putting up ... which is ZERO at this point.

Hu Jintao

The whole thing is a media storm rather than a real battle.

A PR campaign.

Tronic

Oh no sir, I am not saying that there is a civil war going on down there, just unrest. Looking at those videos and how fast those protestors dispersed, I do not think the Tibetans are capable of putting up any sort of a fight. Last time they did that, they literally lost tens of thousands of people. And I`m sure those memories will deter them from trying anything alike; atleast for the present generations.