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Old 02-22-2008, 17:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Why not give Independence to a people that want it?
Why not bomb a country that defends its territory and its independence?
Why not invade a country to call that a "peace-keeping"?
Why not seize a part of a country and why not build a huge military base there?
Why not call the occupied part an "independent democratic country"?
And why not think about how long time this "independent democratic country" will exist without foreign military support?



No, you are not responsible for Kosovo. Absolutely not.

There is alot of why nots where you come from as well my friend judging by the Icon. Dont call the kettle black for fear of seeing your own reflection.
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Old 02-22-2008, 17:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Question for all: Why not give Independance to a people that want it?
Because we've all fought wars of unification, including the US and Canada.
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Old 02-22-2008, 17:39 PM   #33 (permalink)
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You finally admit it!
And you yourself chose to be Kosovo's independence biggest supporter(after maybe Albania).
Guess that makes us number two in line though we dont see Albania's embassy being attcked though huh?

He's giving Russia assistance on Iran

Hes going to give the world a true religious war if Iran with Russia's help builds the weapons to attack Israel. Your building a monster and an uncontrollable one at that. Remember the world holds us responsible for Iraq but we and the world shall hold you responsible for Iran since you are arming it.
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Because we've all fought wars of unification, including the US and Canada.
Thanks OOE.
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Old 02-22-2008, 18:18 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Because we've all fought wars of unification, including the US and Canada.
And tribalism, which is all this sort of thing really is, is an outmoded and ultimately degrading governmental system. It should be stamped out where it still exists, not ecouraged to grow in national bodies.

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Old 02-22-2008, 19:23 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Question for all: Why not give Independance to a people that want it?
We English want it but as our ruling party is mainly Scots, we have had it!!
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Old 02-22-2008, 19:25 PM   #37 (permalink)
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To be free means to be responsible.
Society that is completely free demands of its citizens to be completely responsible. Serbs were not responsible to Serbia first and after that toward anyone else. Our (Serbian) understanding of freedom is closer to a disorder than to a order. And because of that we are punished and cause of that we might cease to exist. We are solely, totally, absolutely,100%, without any doubt responsible for our own demise. We are responsible cause we were and are irresponsible.
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Old 02-22-2008, 20:12 PM   #38 (permalink)
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UDI is a clever way to precipitate the issue and put Russia and Serbia on the backfoot.

Though the US has stated that his cannot be connected with other separatist movements in the Caucasus, it has just done that.

Further, with the independence of Kosovo, there will start another round of bloodshed and it will be the ideal entry of the Jihadis into the European scene in a big way.

A dangerous situation has developed.

Not all of the EU recognises the UDI for good reasons.

Cutting the nose to spite the face!
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Old 02-22-2008, 20:19 PM   #39 (permalink)
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It Has Been My Painful Experience That Freedom Can't Be "given". It Needs, Not Only To Be Desired, But Earned. Pres Bush, With The Stroke Of A Pen, May Have Been Party To Producing The Perfect Storm, And The Formation Of A Islamic Nation State In Europe. Where Is The Rule Of International Law As It Applies To National Boundries? How Is The National Interest Of America Inproved Here? It Is Time To Pull All The American Troops Out Of Europe. The Russians Arn't Comming Thru The Fulda Gap Anytime Soon So What The Heck Are We Doing Messing Around In The European Backyard. Folks Need To Spend Some Time Reading History And Drop The Sports Page!

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As far as Russia helping Iran, he give them Uraniam and anti missile shield. This is why their Pres. can tell the people, "kill American's". I don't think he would be quite so bold without his buddy "Putin".

As fas as Kosovo, Russia just went there to stir the pot of anti American bs. I wouldn't be suprised if he didn't have a shuttle bus to bring in the protesters. Both, Kosovo and Serb's need to step back and work as a team vs. killing each other forever. They both have done wrong, just as the USA has. Nobody's perfect and ripping up their own country is just plan stupid. This will hit them when thier kids want a happy meal, they won't be to "happy".
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Old 02-22-2008, 21:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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We English want it but as our ruling party is mainly Scots, we have had it!!
Our ruling party mainly Scots?
You what mate?
Are the Millibands Scots?
Is Caroline Flint Scot?
What are you on about dear boy?
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Old 02-22-2008, 21:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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but of course, it was expected. Not quite sure what the US embassy has to do with kosovan nationalism; maybe they will attack the Mongolian Consulate next - idiots.
For someone who bases their "facts" on CNN reports, you really shouldn't post on here.

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Guess that makes us number two in line though we dont see Albania's embassy being attcked though huh?

He's giving Russia assistance on Iran

Hes going to give the world a true religious war if Iran with Russia's help builds the weapons to attack Israel. Your building a monster and an uncontrollable one at that. Remember the world holds us responsible for Iraq but we and the world shall hold you responsible for Iran since you are arming it.
Hey buddy, look on the positive side. At least you will have an actual reason to attack Iran, rather the repeating the Iraq "WMD" lie scenario and making your selves looking like complete idiots

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Our ruling party mainly Scots?
You what mate?
Are the Millibands Scots?
Is Caroline Flint Scot?
What are you on about dear boy?
Dont bother. You should see some of the statements made in other topics. Bit of a laugh really.
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Old 02-22-2008, 21:36 PM   #43 (permalink)
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For someone who bases their "facts" on CNN reports, you really shouldn't post on here.
Not a warning, simply a reminder that it isn't up to you who does and doesn't post here.
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Old 02-22-2008, 23:09 PM   #44 (permalink)
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You know what this is all about?

IRAN.

We don't like what Russia is doing to partner with Iran, and to push back and show our displeasure - make Russia pay a price for doing something that is VERY much against the world's interests - we recognized Kosovo's independence. We were sticking our thumb in Putin's eye for what he's been doing to us.

And this is Russia escalating the Pain Meter on us, now.

Our move.
Independence could be the first step to removing American forces from Kosovo. The presence of NATO forces in Kosovo since the Clinton admin is based on the belief that Kosovo isn't safe as long as it's a part of Serbia. Only as an independent nation can it develop a police/military force that will allow our troops to leave.

Russia blundered badly by not encouraging the Serbs to develop an effective relationship with the Kosovars that would have allowed the two groups to exist in the same nation.
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Old 02-22-2008, 23:29 PM   #45 (permalink)
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It is striking how many really poor posts this thread has in it.

Where the Balkans are concerned, most non-Anglosphere people seem to utterly lose the ability to reason or think clearly.
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