Canadian government may fall over confidence votes on either Afghanistan and Crime..

Canmoore · 02-06-2008, 21:56 PM

Confidence vote on Afghan mission expected for March

Interesting.. either this vote passes, and the government stands and the current mission continues past 2009. Or the Government will fall resulting in a Federal Election, and Canada may pull out of combat operations in Afghanistan in 2009.

Of course... the Liberals list there demands...

CTV.ca | Dion will seek 'amendments' to Afghan motion

Then again, the conservatives may push for a confidence vote over Bill C-2. A bill tackling Violent Crime Acts, which consists of five bills dealing with violent crimes, dangerous offenders, and raises the age of sexual consent to 16 from the current age of 14.

CTV.ca | Tories threaten election over crime bill

I think its just sick that the opposition is opposing this bill...just sick.

Exarecr · 02-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Please, no more reminders on how "third world" this country has become. When I see that idiot Dion trying to be understood in English, which ultimately makes him look and sound stupid and slow, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Forrest Gump was his party's mentor. Dion and his sheep argue the mission simply because it's the opposite of not supporting it. The tactical and moral aspects of the mission mean nothing.Never mind it's a U.N. backed mission. Never mind the social and economic changes of the mission. If absolutely every-thing was being done perfectly it would still be a bad mission because the other party supports it,and again, no matter how stupid the truth might make him look, or how much progress is being made,the Liberals can never support the mission. Taliban Jack and his socialist party are busy inventing new terminology for what they claim will be peace talks with the Taliban. Rumour has it they are so sure of their "happy circle of talk", they won't have to levitate to prove they they aren't full of ship.(can I say ****)? Harper has done nothing to convince Canadians of the importance of this mission because his eyes are focused on anything that reflects his image and makes him look "stately and important". Pathetic.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-07-2008, 10:49 AM

I honestly do not believe the Liberals gambit is going to work this time, they look and sound so foolish, and as for opposing the crime bill, well as Canmoore stated, that is just plain sick

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-07-2008, 11:26 AM

I can't see the Liberals killing the government on the Afghan issue. It's just not big enough of an issue. We don't have protests marching out in the streets. We have people lining up giving their respects, even in Quebec, especially in Quebec.

I expect the budget to be the election rallying call instead.

crooks · 02-07-2008, 12:47 PM

If an election was held now though, wouldn't the Conservatives still (at the very least) have a minority goverment?

The Liberals are lifeless, NDP will never be truly mainstream, obviously ditto for BQ essentially a regionalist party in a federal parliament - what does Harper have to lose, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat, would it not be worth the risk to aim for an overall majority?

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-07-2008, 15:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crooks

If an election was held now though, wouldn't the Conservatives still (at the very least) have a minority goverment?

The Liberals are lifeless, NDP will never be truly mainstream, obviously ditto for BQ essentially a regionalist party in a federal parliament - what does Harper have to lose, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat, would it not be worth the risk to aim for an overall majority?

I agree Crooks, at worst another minority Govt, at best an increased majority, I dont see it as a big deal really, except if its another minority some confidence in Canada from other countries maybe effected.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-07-2008, 15:27 PM

What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-07-2008, 15:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.

that has been the case for quite awhile now Sir, given the bang up job the boys have been doing over there................lets hope the Canadian public will not falter.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-07-2008, 16:07 PM

I know but AQ usually time these things during an election and given the timing of these (Parliament debate on this), now is the time.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-07-2008, 17:47 PM

O yes I hear you Sir, and the Canadian homeland not being used to it and all that,....well I hope it continues and they dont have to get used to it...........do you honestly believe they would go that way IF attacked? and not become more resilient about ending AQ?

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-07-2008, 18:44 PM

That would depend entirely on the leadership of this country ... and I find it lacking.

**TopHatter** · 02-07-2008, 19:48 PM

So...help me out here...if the Canadian government falls, the United States can then legally annex the 12 provinces and territories, no?

(I swear, if anybody mentions Celine Dion....)

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-07-2008, 22:00 PM

10 provinces and 3 territories

And tickets are on sale now

Céline Dion

**TopHatter** · 02-07-2008, 22:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

10 provinces and 3 territories

No, 9 and 3. Québec ain't invited.

Bluesman · 02-07-2008, 22:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopHatter

No, 9 and 3. Québec ain't invited.

Dam' right.

02-06-2008, 21:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Canmoore *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Canada Posts: 1,330 Country:	Canadian government may fall over confidence votes on either Afghanistan and Crime.. Confidence vote on Afghan mission expected for March Interesting.. either this vote passes, and the government stands and the current mission continues past 2009. Or the Government will fall resulting in a Federal Election, and Canada may pull out of combat operations in Afghanistan in 2009. Of course... the Liberals list there demands... CTV.ca \| Dion will seek 'amendments' to Afghan motion Then again, the conservatives may push for a confidence vote over Bill C-2. A bill tackling Violent Crime Acts, which consists of five bills dealing with violent crimes, dangerous offenders, and raises the age of sexual consent to 16 from the current age of 14. CTV.ca \| Tories threaten election over crime bill I think its just sick that the opposition is opposing this bill...just sick. Last edited by Canmoore : 02-06-2008 at 22:20 PM.

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T_igger_cs_30 *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: Canada Posts: 1,943 Country:	*I honestly do not believe the Liberals gambit is going to work this time, they look and sound so foolish, and as for opposing the crime bill, well as Canmoore stated, that is just plain sick* __________________ $<img src=http://C:\Documents and Settings\Wayne Smith\My Documents\002...My Pictures border=0 alt= />$ FEAR NAUGHT I don't work here ...I am an analyst!

02-07-2008, 11:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	I can't see the Liberals killing the government on the Afghan issue. It's just not big enough of an issue. We don't have protests marching out in the streets. We have people lining up giving their respects, even in Quebec, especially in Quebec. I expect the budget to be the election rallying call instead. __________________ Chimo

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crooks Green, White 'n Orange *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 10-17-06 Location: Blarney, County Cork, Ireland Posts: 1,291 Country:	If an election was held now though, wouldn't the Conservatives still (at the very least) have a minority goverment? The Liberals are lifeless, NDP will never be truly mainstream, obviously ditto for BQ essentially a regionalist party in a federal parliament - what does Harper have to lose, there doesn't seem to be a credible threat, would it not be worth the risk to aim for an overall majority? __________________ 'Liberty - it is newly strung and shall be heard.' - Motto of the United Irishmen. Last edited by crooks : 02-07-2008 at 14:06 PM.

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02-07-2008, 10:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
Exarecr *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-18-07 Location: Kingston Ontario Canada Posts: 425 Country:	Please, no more reminders on how "third world" this country has become. When I see that idiot Dion trying to be understood in English, which ultimately makes him look and sound stupid and slow, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Forrest Gump was his party's mentor. Dion and his sheep argue the mission simply because it's the opposite of not supporting it. The tactical and moral aspects of the mission mean nothing.Never mind it's a U.N. backed mission. Never mind the social and economic changes of the mission. If absolutely every-thing was being done perfectly it would still be a bad mission because the other party supports it,and again, no matter how stupid the truth might make him look, or how much progress is being made,the Liberals can never support the mission. Taliban Jack and his socialist party are busy inventing new terminology for what they claim will be peace talks with the Taliban. Rumour has it they are so sure of their "happy circle of talk", they won't have to levitate to prove they they aren't full of ship.(can I say ****)? Harper has done nothing to convince Canadians of the importance of this mission because his eyes are focused on anything that reflects his image and makes him look "stately and important". Pathetic.

02-07-2008, 15:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	What has become apparent is that we are now a prime AQ target. One single attack would cow the Canadian population into abandoning the mission.

02-07-2008, 16:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	I know but AQ usually time these things during an election and given the timing of these (Parliament debate on this), now is the time.

02-07-2008, 17:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
T_igger_cs_30 *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: Canada Posts: 1,943 Country:	O yes I hear you Sir, and the Canadian homeland not being used to it and all that,....well I hope it continues and they dont have to get used to it...........do you honestly believe they would go that way IF attacked? and not become more resilient about ending AQ?

02-07-2008, 18:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	That would depend entirely on the leadership of this country ... and I find it lacking.

02-07-2008, 19:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,691 Country:	So...help me out here...if the Canadian government falls, the United States can then legally annex the 12 provinces and territories, no? (I swear, if anybody mentions Celine Dion....)

02-07-2008, 22:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	10 provinces and 3 territories And tickets are on sale now Céline Dion

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