PCness gone mad

captain · 02-03-2008, 08:07 AM

Or, how to live like a king and get others to pay for it.

Have you chaps in Britain gone mad or is this some journo yanking every one's chain?, in which case I apologise for being sucked in.

I guess if you could get your head around having four wives and their foibles, you could bang out half a dozen kids with each then sit back and count your cash.
When they are old enough you could send them all out to work to support Dad (Fagan) in his declining years.

So to all of you English chaps, just keep a stiff upper lip and think of Queen and country while you pay and pay some more.

BTW, where is your parliamentary opposition or is this a bipartisan effort despite the public comments attached to this story?

To you guys in Canada, see if your PC crowd can better this!

Cheers.

Quote:

Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Last Updated: 2:36am GMT 03/02/2008

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Husbands with multiple wives have been given the go-ahead to claim extra welfare benefits following a year-long Government review, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Have your say: Should multiple wives get recognition from the state?
Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal.

advertisementThe outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife, as is permitted under Islamic law. Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

The decision has been condemned by the Tories, who accused the Government of offering preferential treatment to a particular group, and of setting a precedent that would lead to demands for further changes in British law.

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate ... The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Under the deal agreed by ministers, a husband with multiple wives may also be eligible for additional housing benefit and council tax benefit to reflect the larger property needed for his family.

The ruling could cost taxpayers millions of pounds. Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

The review concluded in December last year with agreement that the extra benefits should continue to be paid, the Government admitted. The decision was not publicly announced.

Four departments - the Treasury, the DWP, HM Revenue and Customs, and the Home Office - were involved in the review, which concluded that recognising multiple marriages conducted overseas was "the best possible" option. In Britain, bigamy is punishable by up to seven years in prison.

Islamic law permits men to have up to four wives at any one time - known as a harem - provided the husband spends equal amounts of time and money on each of them.

A DWP spokesman claimed that the number of people in polygamous marriages entering Britain had fallen since the 1988 Immigration Act, which "generally prevents a man from bringing a second or subsequent wife with him to this country if another woman is already living as his wife in the UK".

While a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.

In addition, officials have identified a potential loophole by which a man can divorce his wife under British law while continuing to live with her as his spouse under Islamic law, and obtain a spouse visa for a foreign woman who he can legally marry.

"Entry clearance may not be withheld from a second wife where the husband has divorced his previous wife and the divorce is thought to be one of convenience," an immigration rulebook advises. "This is so, even if the husband is still living with the previous wife and to issue the entry clearance would lead to the formation of a polygamous household."

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".

"You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.

"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."

Mr Grayling also accused the Government of trying to keep the ruling quiet because the topic is so controversial.

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bolo121 · 02-03-2008, 09:37 AM

Here's another little gem from the world of appeasement PCness

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Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.

Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' - Telegraph

kmchugh · 02-03-2008, 11:53 AM

On reading the title of this thread, I found myself channeling Conan the Grammarian: To use "PC" and "madness" in the same sentence is redundant.

Kevin

physicsmonk · 02-03-2008, 12:57 PM

Good lord.i thought only our politicians were nutty enough to give family pension to jihadi terrorists killed by security forces.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 12:58 PM

Captain, your right the world has gone to hell in a hand basket and some "bleeding heart liberals" are getting there own way in some quarters, its sickening, saddening and in some cases down right embaressing.If it was just the United Kingdom who was the only one suffering from it I could understand the tone of your post. But alas we all have to take a look in our own back yards, we are all being infected by this madness.

captain · 02-03-2008, 18:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bolo121

Here's another little gem from the world of appeasement PCness

Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules' - Telegraph

Ubelievable, who the hell do these people think they are?

Antibiotic resistant strains of infections are a real problem in hospitals world wide.
Regimented hygiene procedures are an absolute must to minimise risk.

Religeous requirements my ar$e.

These mongrels are playing "push the political envelope" and in a children's hospital no less.

The British health minister should read the riot act to anyone who wants to play those sort of games and make the rules crystal clear.
The British medical association should be given absolute authority and the parliament should back them up.

If they don't like the rules, go somewhere else or change career.

cheers.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 18:50 PM

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Originally Posted by captain

The British health minister should read the riot act to anyone who wants to play those sort of games and make the rules crystal clear.
The British medical association should be given absolute authority and the parliament should back them up.

If they don't like the rules, go somewhere else or change career.

cheers.

We all, particularly me Captain agree with you, So ho w about the Aussie Government come over and show us how you all do it down under............or are your riots just about sport?

dave lukins · 02-03-2008, 18:53 PM

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Originally Posted by physicsmonk

Good lord.i thought only our politicians were nutty enough to give family pension to jihadi terrorists killed by security forces.

Here is another snippet of Uk goings on

Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600
employees and has the following statistics?

29 have been accused of spouse abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad cheques

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

4 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

Which organization is this?

It's the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that cranks
out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line

captain · 02-03-2008, 19:02 PM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

Captain, your right the world has gone to hell in a hand basket and some "bleeding heart liberals" are getting there own way in some quarters, its sickening, saddening and in some cases down right embaressing.If it was just the United Kingdom who was the only one suffering from it I could understand the tone of your post. But alas we all have to take a look in our own back yards, we are all being infected by this madness.

You are right of course and yes I was just making light of it otherwise, the beligerant in me would want to punch someone's lights out.

The things I am reading on the WAB about Canada and Britain are most likely happening here as well only, to a lessor extent or perhaps the PC activists are concealing things a little better.

The worrying thing is, how long will this go on, how far will the envelope be pushed before there is a push back and how severe will that push back be?

Cheers.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 19:05 PM

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Originally Posted by captain

The things I am reading on the WAB about Canada and Britain are most likely happening here as well only, to a lessor extent

You live in the outback dont you? ..........dont get into town often ?

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 19:15 PM

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Originally Posted by captain

You are right of course and yes I was just making light of it otherwise, the beligerant in me would want to punch someone's lights out.

The things I am reading on the WAB about Canada and Britain are most likely happening here as well only, to a lessor extent or perhaps the PC activists are concealing things a little better.

The worrying thing is, how long will this go on, how far will the envelope be pushed before there is a push back and how severe will that push back be?

Cheers.

Seriously though, the reason you read about Canada and Great Britain more on WAB is because we took our heads out of the sand a long time ago and accepted it is happening, and now openly critisize our own politicians. I am sure one day(soon) the same will happen down under.

captain · 02-03-2008, 19:52 PM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

We all, particularly me Captain agree with you, So ho w about the Aussie Government come over and show us how you all do it down under............or are your riots just about sport?

We have had very few sporting riots and those that we have had have been at soccer games and involved ethnic rivalries between those of recent European migrants.
This year there was also a bit of a fracar at the Australian Open tennis, but again involved people that were European migrants and visitors.

Don't get me wrong though as there are many good people from Europe here but a few nutters who have brought with them their ancient ethnic rivalries cause most of the trouble.

If you are referring to the riots at the beach in Sydney, that situation had been developing for quite a long time.
Muslim youths had consistantly come to the beach to abuse women in particular because they were not wearing the head to toe covering of the muslim woman. These creeps commonly refered to women in bathers as "Skippy sluts".

It all came to a head when a mob of these creeps assaulted a surf life saver.
The resultant fracar was fuelled by plenty of booze and a hot day that brought lots of people to the beach.

John Howard's government is now gone and the new Labour govt is lead by a former diplomat who may take PCness to a whole new level.
Sorry, you guys are on your own.

Cheers.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 19:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain

We have had very few sporting riots and those that we have had have been at soccer games and involved ethnic rivalries between those of recent European migrants.
This year there was also a bit of a fracar at the Australian Open tennis, but again involved people that were European migrants and visitors.

Don't get me wrong though as there are many good people from Europe here but a few nutters who have brought with them their ancient ethnic rivalries cause most of the trouble.

If you are referring to the riots at the beach in Sydney, that situation had been developing for quite a long time.
Muslim youths had consistantly come to the beach to abuse women in particular because they were not wearing the head to toe covering of the muslim woman. These creeps commonly refered to women in bathers as "Skippy sluts".

It all came to a head when a mob of these creeps assaulted a surf life saver.
The resultant fracar was fuelled by plenty of booze and a hot day that brought lots of people to the beach.

John Howard's government is now gone and the new Labour govt is lead by a former diplomat who may take PCness to a whole new level.
Sorry, you guys are on your own.

Cheers.

Being on our own is not something new to us, may I ask what part of Europe your kinfolk and ancestors came from ? or are you Aboriginal?

ps... Believe me whats happening in Canada and UK right now does not happen overnight .................good luck

captain · 02-03-2008, 20:01 PM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

You live in the outback dont you? ..........dont get into town often ?

I live 140 miles north of Adelaide, about 2 hours drive, so I am almost urban.

Can't stand the impersonal city rat race due to the fact I was bought up on the land and my back yard was 3200 acres,,Just enough elbow room.

The outback is where there is 200 miles between me and my neighbour.

Cheers.

T_igger_cs_30 · 02-03-2008, 20:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain

I live 140 miles north of Adelaide, about 2 hours drive, so I am almost urban.

Can't stand the impersonal city rat race due to the fact I was bought up on the land and my back yard was 3200 acres,,Just enough elbow room.

The outback is where there is 200 miles between me and my neighbour.

Cheers.

whoooooooooooosh !!!

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T_igger_cs_30 *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-04-07 Location: Canada Posts: 1,943 Country:	Captain, your right the world has gone to hell in a hand basket and some "bleeding heart liberals" are getting there own way in some quarters, its sickening, saddening and in some cases down right embaressing.If it was just the United Kingdom who was the only one suffering from it I could understand the tone of your post. But alas we all have to take a look in our own back yards, we are all being infected by this madness. __________________ $<img src=http://C:\Documents and Settings\Wayne Smith\My Documents\002...My Pictures border=0 alt= />$ FEAR NAUGHT I don't work here ...I am an analyst! Last edited by T_igger_cs_30 : 02-03-2008 at 13:00 PM.

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